I'm not seeing a ton of cheering, but I'm usually deep in shitpost threads. Maybe a bit of justification posting ("this time is different") but at least it seems thoughtful and not so rah rah merica.

Not to get into a serious debate I'm unequipped for, but would you say your position is we should completely stay the hell out and do nothing? Valid on first principles grounds, but I try to be a realist. I'm a bit of a fence sitter, but that's justified given my now well-documented ignorance.