I saw it attributed to Pythagoras but who knows, it’s def not Plato.

Even given the older systems, which I don’t think count as ideologies in the sense I’m using it but it’s a fair label, Plato created something original by linking the methods of ā€œreasonā€ to the concept of utopia. That is he turned knowledge into method (ideology) that is predestined to end in utopia. And I think his Republic kind of stands alone in that era and before for the originality and strength of that link.

What he lays out in the Republic is an elite driven pyramidal hierarchy (aka meritocracy) that adheres to strict methods of ā€œreasonā€, and we can see this in his Philospher King elitism that later Platonists of the left and right pick up and still push forward.

His original model is in fact the same model pushed on us by elites today, corporatist fascism. Power and decision making belong in the hands of those groups that have been indoctrinated with the right methods and the individual becomes nothing but an integrated function at best.

Another word for this philosopher king elitism is the vanguardism clearly seen in the Marxist communist ideology.

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I disagree with very little here. It seems mostly accurate from what I have read.

I guess I will disagree on the definition of ideology mostly and use the common standard one, which is why I disagree on Plato as founder of ideology. I would like a source on the earlier distinction as the earliest I am aware of is Plato's symposium.

If you refer to Corporatist political philosophy, then yes, he is most definitely the creator (or could it be Socrates again?)

It does appear like Western elites are pushing a transhuman variant of Fascism.

Defining ideology could be a whole series of books lol I personally prefer to define ideology as method, and given just that definition you are right that Plato wouldn’t be the founder, but knowledge and reason as method towards utopia is all Plato and a new formation of ideology.

So, when he talks about love of knowledge, I think he really meant method and not knowledge itself.

Socrates, as read through Plato, could be claimed as the founder I guess but I think he asked too many questions to be called an ideologue and a slave to method and I don’t trust Plato’s filtering of Socrates.

I’ll try and find a source, could easily be Plato and I’m just a hater. I can’t find the link I saw that said Pythagoras said it.