You have a Normie-lised way to explain eCash?

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Coins vs. a debit card. But that's a hard one because it's the opposite trust model with sats and eCash. Debit cards are trusted, coins are trustless. But here, LN is trustless, eCash coins are trusted.

It could help invert their thinking though. A lot of the Bitcoin learning journey requires not simply rejecting current dogmas, but fully embracing their complete antitheses.