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Women only skew collectivist, politically, if somebody else is paying.

Men's self-concept skews both individualist ("I must be comfortable living with my decisions") AND collectivist ("I am an X and willing to sacrifice for the good of X).

Women's self-concept skews relational ("I am a good friend / good mother").

If forced to choose between the good of a collective and the good of social-relationship connections, women will overwhelmingly choose the social relationship (unlike men).

The difficulty is framing that choice that way in our centralised and high-time-preference societies.

Zach⚡️ 1y ago

That’s a fine clarification but with government it’s always “someone else paying”. Many people in my life legitimately believe in concepts like free education and free healthcare.

Another generalization which has a lot of truth to it is that men still dominate most “dirty” work fields. Plumbing, construction, carpentry, waste management, roadwork, etc. are all extremely male centric. The people who built society are the people who know what it all has really cost, since they had to experience it.

This is not to say that there haven’t been great women that built society, but on a whole especially during the early periods from 1920-1960 women very often had the role of a homemaker and were almost never subjected to that type of work (although wartime offered many opportunities to subvert that social norm).

When we look at new deal programs which came about just 15 years after woman’s suffrage and are still in place today, and think about it in the context of “someone else paying” there is something there.

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𝔼𝕣𝕪𝕟 𝔹𝕣𝕒𝕔𝕔𝕠 1y ago

Just popping in to say… motherhood is also hard and dirty work that costs much and builds society.

Low Information Voter 1y ago

This.

And, anecdotally, you almost never find highly-altruistic and accomplished women who are absent mothers.

Not true of fathers.

𝔼𝕣𝕪𝕟 𝔹𝕣𝕒𝕔𝕔𝕠 1y ago

🤔 highly altruistic absent fathers?

These features don’t go together. Does not compute, divide by zero

StackSats.IO 1y ago

Yes absolutely, and this is the role we need women to play to build strong societies.

No different to fiat forcing doctors or engineers to become part-time investors so they don’t lose their wealth - diluting people’s attention from what they are best at and where they provide the most value to the extended order has a net negative impact on everyone else in that order.

𝔼𝕣𝕪𝕟 𝔹𝕣𝕒𝕔𝕔𝕠 1y ago

I read between your lines and no.

The whole career-life-family system is broken, not just for women.

The world is not better off when mothers have only the mother and wife role to play, while fathers and husbands are trapped in a system where they are kept from their families much of the time working.

Balance is needed. Mothers and fathers are both vital to children and mothers and fathers both should have lives apart from their children as well, including meaningful work.

𝔼𝕣𝕪𝕟 𝔹𝕣𝕒𝕔𝕔𝕠 1y ago

I say “apart from” but the true ideal in my opinion is “involving the whole family”

StackSats.IO 1y ago

There’s no lines to read between.

I didn’t say women need to exclusively be mothers, I said that is where they need to focus for the extended order to most benefit. For them to be good mothers they’re going to need to have other interests which is no different to men who should be the breadwinners but will not be well-rounded fathers if they have nothing outside of their work - one-dimensional people do not make good parents.

But the idea that people can do multiple things and excel at each is nonsense.

We should be moving to a world of hyperfocus where each of us devotes the majority of our productivity to what we are best at (outside interests should be leisure) and realistically we need women to be best at raising the next generation to extend that rather than deferring motherhood or palming it off to the state as that is what perpetuates the very system you identify as broken.

𝔼𝕣𝕪𝕟 𝔹𝕣𝕒𝕔𝕔𝕠 1y ago

We fundamentally disagree on multiple issues 🤷🏻‍♀️