I know people have been doing wild rituals for many thousands of years. Claiming that Jesus was one of them is where things get problematic imo.
"One of them was that all prophets take drugs because it's the only way you could see things. This is purposely lying or just being ignorant."
I think he's a bit lose with his words sometimes and has an odd personality but yeah 'the only way' is probably too strong if he did say that. I wouldn't be surprised if he did but if thats all that you can see wrong with it (its early I know) then I'd forgive him that.
Some areas to keep an eye on I've noticed that area separate but seem to confirm or partly support his claims are:
1. Bes Cup which contains apparently breast milk and vaginal mucus on top of psychotropic plant substances as he claims he learned from translations of Greek Texts.
2. Translation (not by him) of previously untranslated texts from Herculaneum Library buried during Vesuvius eruption. This is an ongoing work of 800 scrolls but first word translated was 'purple' which could mean there is info on this as used in these ceremonies as he claims.
3. 'The Purple' (die with possible psychedelic properties from Mediterranean Mollusk) apparently found in Roman Bathhouse in England.
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Sometimes we get triggered when something close to us is spoken about in the ways he does. To have an issue with it is probabaly normal but I think you know our emotional reaction has little to do with facts and science and this issue should be able to be figured out with scientific method alone. Like I said in my original post... it will likely take years to get to the bottom of with hard evidence. I'll post more as I get it.
You keep making assumptions. First, that Christ needs anyone defending him. Second, not sure if we can agree on what is a fact. For me, a chronic of 2,000y ago isn't a fact, it's just a dude with a crayon. Third, that would take years to embrace or reject an opinion.
Now let's get deeper. What do I mean by problematic? I did not have on my bingo card to open up such a vast discussion in 2025. Here are a bunch of my questions to set up a context.
- Why does Lucifer go to such an extent to resemble Christ if he is superior? How can you tell you've met Lucifer or Christ?
- What's up with seeing sparks, lights and colors? What do they represent? What is really the color purple?
- Who granted Michael the power to escort Lucifer out at one time considering that he is "middle management" and Lucifer was once a very very bright entity?
- What are the Azuras? Were they once good?
- What are the Elements and what are their roles? Why wasn't the skeleton of Jesus Christ harmed on the cross?
-Who do secret societies really worship?
- Why did Christ dismissed Satan 3 times?
- Why simply mentioning Christ's name clears the room?
- What was the yellowish circle on the head of the saints? Were they ancient astronauts really?
- Why do people get tested? What's the point?
- How does one prepare for the Second Coming if it isn't on the physical plain this time?
I am intrigued when someone challenges the dogma. Intrigued is different from triggered. Regardless, I've been called worse. 😁
From our interactions so far I think you assume Christ Consciousness and the historical figure Jesus Christ are the same thing or that the man embodied the consciousness (compassion, love etc) but that is a trick of the organized institutions around the bible ie The Church.
The consciousness isn't being called into question by Hillman or myself but the man is. When Hillman critiques the man you think he is critiquing Consciousness as well. This doesn't fit with your experience of the world (and mine) and so you think Hillman is incorrect. But he is only critiquing the historical figure. The long list you have there I think can be mostly explained by separating the consciousness from the man, as is appropriate, and using historical documents, written in Ancient Greek from various Roman and Greek sources.
Now, a document of 2,000 years isn't necessarily fact because it exists, as you rightly point out but you can use science and logic to understand which ones have more validity from a historical context. There is science in the technicality of the language and also in the pharmacology that could be analyzed to understand which documents could be considered genuine and which fabricated.
For example, The Septuagint. The Church says this is translation FROM Hebrew TO Greek but Hillman claims the opposite. He says it is actually FROM Greek TO Hebrew and provably so in his opinion based on 30 years as a Philologist.
I'm not trying to use credentialism there to say 'trust him' I'm saying he is qualified to make that assessment but it does need verification by others in the field.
An example of how there is a measurable science in the technicality of the language is, in Hillmans words, that The Septuagint has more semantic meaning in it at a technical language level of the words themselves. There is more meaning in them that there is in the Hebrew words. This is because Greek is a more complex language that Hebrew and has more ability to convey meaning. In addition to that there is Pharmacology that could be verified by modern chemistry.
Hebrew has only 8,000 approx words and Greek 500,000 (estimates vary) so we can say Greek is much more complex at least. The question then becomes, what are the chances that The Hebrew -> Greek translation, as The Church claims, managed to add much more semantic meaning AND also keep the pharmacology (which is verifiable by modern chemists) in tact when the Hebrew version did not have this meaning (and technically couldn't support it) and pharmacology in it in a technical sense? Low I would say, very low.
All of that is to say - we don't need to rely on an ancient document and play ancient 'he said, she said'. That isn't what's available here. What is available is a testable and measurable scientific analysis of the texts at a technical language level and at a pharmacological level to confirm if what Hillmans says is accurate.
Now, currently Hillman is the only modern person saying these things (although Origen of Alexandria and Jeremy Bentham have said some similar things historically) and hardly anyone is qualified to also translate the Greek at his level to confirm.
So, how do we verify what he is claiming? In time people will catch up with his translating. The texts he's translating do not just require Ancient Greek knowledge but also medical knowledge and people with both are very very few and far between.
But in part you can see already that what he's translating is accurate based on separate analysis of The Bes Cup which has breast milk and vaginal fluid in it. So we actually do have confirmation now without waiting that what he's saying is at least partially accurate.
In addition, there is more archaeological finds which support what he is translating is accurate from Spain. For eg hair analysis of Bronze Age (3k+ years ago) shows
"The results furnish direct evidence of the consumption of plant drugs and, more interestingly, they reveal the use of multiple psychoactive species."
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-023-31064-2
Hillmans claim, based on the translations he made, is that medical women of bronze age kept toxins they made in their which seems to be confirmed by this Spanish find.
So, all of that is to say, there is plenty of factual based science that can, has and will be done to verify his claims.
Note, none of this removes the connection we can have to Christ Consciousness. It just means The Church lied to everyone for millennia (!) about the historical figure Jesus Christ and that shouldn't be a surprise to anyone tbh.
0 to 30 is Jesus, 30 to 33 is Jesus Christ. Hope this clears up the confusion. The great "download" happened at Jordan River and the procedure was facilitated by John the Baptist (J's older cousin and friend). Not because it couldn't be done otherwise, but because it was Tradition. J-man respected that because of his upbringing, lineage and exclusive training.
Yes, Greek is a highly complex language, but Jesus spoke Aramaic at first. Jesus was Palestinian last time I've checked. If modern Jews claim they are the chosen people, than I am Satoshi Nakamoto. The chosen people are the ones who accept the Truth.
In the beginning was the Word. Written texts are tricky because languages evolve. They are relevant for the contemporaries, after that there's only downhill. Check up what the American Natives felt about books and whatnot, there's a big clue in how the sacred views the mundane. Nevertheless, we are here and we have to make the best of it. Write any statement you'd like and we'll come back to it in a thousand years to see how's going. Deal? 😊
Now when satanists and luciferians hear stuff like Christ is King they have this allergic reaction, which is funny to me. Christ is King, it is well-known!
P.S.: I enjoy our exchange, it is educational nevertheless.
P.S.S.: Without the right key to understand them, sacred texts are meaningless. Origen is a favorite of mine, btw. Ovid too! Hillman is right about Latin being inferior to Greek, let alone English. Shakespeare did he's best you know!