Couldn't somebody just publish a forked Phoenix with different backend?

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I don't think so. Other wallets use hosted LSPs. Look into nostr:npub1xnf02f60r9v0e5kty33a404dm79zr7z2eepyrk5gsq3m7pwvsz2sazlpr5

I mean changing Phoenix code so it opens channels to a different hardcoded node instead of the acinq node. They have Apache 2 license, no clue if this would allow it.

It's not as simple as opening a channel to a new node. Phoenix is tightly integrated with the ACINQ LSP which handles liquidity management, splicing, pathfinding, and probably a bunch more stuff I am not even aware of.

Even with all of that functionality the biggest thing you lose out on by forking Phoenix is the accumulated technical expertise at ACINQ.

Try Breez, Mutiny, Zues. Or run your own node. All vastly easier than trying to fork Phoenix and make it work.

I could be wrong tho. Try it out and see how far you can get. 🤷

Ah ok I didn't consider the logic running on the LSP side and thought it just have to be a regular Eclair node. There is probably some non open source secret sauce needed.

In regards to know how I just would pull upstream changes from original phoenix?

Nevertheless this is purely theoretical (for me) as I have neither the skill nor the capital needed to run this infrastructure.

That should absolutely work, but a big part of what makes Phoenix useful to end users is ACINQ's big, well connected node with on-demand liquidity.

In theory yes, but the backend probably runs a slightly modified eclair with more bells and whistles.

ACINQ should release the backend but I don't think they will until the EU becomes as hostile

if they didn't already make their backend open source then why should we care if they ragequit?

Because it would be extremely beneficial if they DID release the backend. Possibly world changing for adoption if you could implement Phoenix backend to many different UI frontends, decentralize the providers and fee structures.

of course

why was it not released before tho?

Money, for sure, but if they are willing to abandon that for the whole US market, then let it fly loose

that kinda assumes a lot about where they got their funding from

I'm just hoping for the best, I'm not gonna shit on them for running a business how they want. Crossing my fingers for a based turnaround.