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How do you propose that governments pay for stuff?

Voluntary donations. Even if some taxes prove necessary that has no bearing on whether or not taxes are theft or the morals regarding theft. If someone breaks into a cabin in the woods and lives on the food there after surviving a winter plane crash over wilderness the fact that they would have died without doing so doesn’t make them less guilty of trespass, theft and if they broke anything on the way in destruction of property. In either case, the plane crash or funding something through taxes, it better be worth being the bad guy to get it done. If it isn’t maybe that means don’t do it and live with the consequences of that choice.

If one makes the decision to engage in the necessary force to achieve their ends they also should expect the social consequences from those around them.

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Kinky 1y ago

Nice argument. Except for the HUGE holes in logic.

When you sell something you do so using the infrastructure set up by you country and that infrastructure needs funding for developing, maintaining and improving. Even the very laws and law enforcement are infrastructure.

Also the people that need infrastructure the most are the ones with the less resources to pay for it. In your proposition, people living in huge cities would say "why would I pay for the roads of the rest of the country, while the rest of the country can't afford to pay for the roads because the lack of roads means less business

You are acting like the government doesn't give you anything because millions of people already paid for your stuff.

The us struggles to get people to vote, and voting is free. Imagine trying to get them to give money to paid for someone else's infrastructure

Jacob Drafts 1y ago

What does any of that have to do with the morality of making people pay for stuff they don’t want to use or making them pay more for the stuff they do use to cover someone else’s share on threat of violence? That’s still stealing anyway you slice it. Regardless of how much good it might do in a given situation or of how necessary it might be for millions of people to continue to live. Morals and ethics don’t change because its a bunch of people getting together to vote themselves the power to do things they can’t do as individuals.