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DagzTagz 8mo ago

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Or maybe their cosplaying I really cannot tell at this point

I thought core wouldn’t push this forward because I didn’t really think there was a demand for removing the limits

I actually personally thing Standardness (that’s human policy implemented on chain to make transactions fit a template kind of) would always shave off- networks are really supposed to be elegant and simple by design, we have code that can create these little defense systems like a human body having an immunity response almost

Some of this stuff is hard to explain in English because it’s just these really small little strings of code that create relay rules for how UTXOs (the bitcoins in your wallet) can be spent

Sorry if I’m making this too simple or too complex- I never know my audience… like I cannot read a room lol ever

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Detective Deft Defector 8mo ago

Afaik, it's just non transactional data that can be added to a transaction. Boosts the data in the transaction so it makes it more expensive to send, creating more congestion to the timechain driving up fees.

DagzTagz 8mo ago

♥️ I figured as much

Detective Deft Defector 8mo ago

That's why I was saying it seems like a vector. If I'm a shitcoin dev and I know my project is gonna fail, I'm gonna try to sabotage the project making mine look like garbage. If the only way to attack it is by making fees more expensive than any pleb can afford, I'm gonna play the long game to drive them up. That's what stresses me about this particular debate. I'm not concerned with what happens in the next few weeks. I'm worried about the slope of capitulation that follows for the next hundred years.

DagzTagz 8mo ago

Yeah but consensus still caps the byte limit- otherwise we’d end up with another hard fork which I really don’t think anyone wants

The primary problem is load on nodes… right now our best solution for network load is pruning which is actually quite useful but a lot of people think this is conspiracy because of the potential that pruned data could lack integrity

Nodes are supposed to check and balance miners

But like everyone voting for knots? I’m pretty sure it’s pruned but again I know very little about knots admittedly

And core is also pruned right

Tbh it’s safer for node operators to be running pruned data BUT we need full nodes too for archive to check the miners

I am, admittedly, biased towards mining operations simply because I know far more about that perspective than I do validating nodes

And I admittedly side with what I’m familiar with

Detective Deft Defector 8mo ago

If you're just referring to block size, for sure. I highly doubt that will ever under a legitimate threat at this point. I wasn't here for that, I think I came in right when the dust was settling.

Knots almost seems like a psyop tbh. It would be a great strategy, if you put your tinfoil hat on, to corrupt the main group of devs who could finesse an argument, then have just one dude, the peroxide guy 😆 with a backup UX that everyone would migrate to before some shady shit ensued.

I think it is most of the time but that's just a hardware issue. Most definitely aren't gonna go buy TB hard drives but there will be purists who keep full chain data. Especially at the start when we're most idealistic about what this is and means.

How is it safer?

DagzTagz 8mo ago

Knots is safer because it limits bytes to I think like 42… also double check that because I’m going off of memory right now… it’s too late for me to be double checking my work rn 😅 but it’s small

I respect Luke because Luke is protecting node runners from illegal material

Sats₿adger |🧡🦡💜 8mo ago

42 byte limit removed later as it was causing trouble to some privacy improving monetary transactions.

DagzTagz 8mo ago

Thank you for clarifying! I have very little knowledge about knots so I do appreciate people filling in the gaps for others :)

DagzTagz 8mo ago

I did read a really good article about the problems regarding BIP 47 etc I didn’t know how that all played out though so again appreciate :)