Do you think it's fundamentally wrong for groups without encryption to exist in the world? Or do you just think NIP-29 is misleading people?

Because to me it looks very obvious from the screenshot that the groups are not encrypted, only require authentication, I can't think of anything less misleading.

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I tried to make it super obvious what public/private and open/closed mean, perhaps the terminology is misleading? should I add a disclaimer saying that messages are not encrypted? I thought that part was clear but I might be wrong.

btw, no knock on Chachi.chat. It's a really nice client! It's just that I can see lots of user's using NIP-29 groups thinking that they're actually private, just how most people that use Telegram think it's private. This would be a bad outcome IMO.

Thanks for the kind words. I don't want anyone to misunderstand what NIP-29 groups are for, thanks for the suggestion!

telegram is advertised as encrypted fgs

liars.

my point was that thats why there is misunderstanding...

No, it’s definitely not fundamentally wrong to have auth only groups but to a non technical user the difference between auth and encryption is not at all clear.

I think nip-29 clients need to go above and beyond to make it overly clear what the trade offs are. Relays being able to read your “private” group messages is a pretty big caveat.

You can use your own relay so yeah it's not encrypted but nobody else can see it afaik