Subnostr

So like, just to be extra clear, this is not to undermine your original point at all. I just like to decouple correlations to reveal the nuance underlying them. Wisdom and intelligence may be correlated, but this is nowhere near a universally applicable thing, especially as observed in midwits who are generally smart enough to convince themselves of bullshit, and the revelation that the smarter you get, the better you are at this, generally. Other influences start to become pretty major past the hump in the bell and that's where the tendency to become aware of biases, limitations, and proper thinking is enough to, on average, effectively counteract the ability to fool oneself

So really, you're exactly right about the general tendency. I just also find it extremely important to highlight that curious, open minded people, and people who take the time to think through the implications of their own uncertainty, exist all over the IQ curve, and those too can achieve self awareness or excellence.

Bearetta left 10mo ago

I'll honestly admit you're too smart for me today, I'm ill last week and absolutely exhausted now at half eleven at night. I was thinking about it more from the point of education and capabilities, that if you're one step below being the best, you will undermine yourself terribly. But that was quite limited view, which I realized after your response.

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Bearetta left 10mo ago

Also you used the word limit, where I understand deficiency as a failure.

Kevin's Bacon 10mo ago

What is failure but a sign of where your limitations currently lie? I suck ass at video games, but awareness of this helps me to have fun with it in spite of my competitiveness. I get competitive with myself instead of with other people, or at certain niches in the game where I am uniquely better than other players, until sometimes I win consistently on certain maps with certain characters. Excellence via awareness of my retardation lol!

Kevin's Bacon 10mo ago

I make mixups like that all the time or use loose language to convey a general point that's rather narrow and approximate and even shortsighted rather than precise, and I see nothing inherently wrong with doing that whatsoever. That's what discussions and critical thinking are for! I like when people have a back and forth with me, and offer different ways of conceptualizing things, and it's totally fine if they're not pedantically precise about everything.

It can sometimes be helpful to be super precise, and that's something I'm good at, but you don't ever have to feel bad about saying something that happened to be wrong or that was right but imprecise. If I correct you or offer an alternative viewpoint, I'm really just building on the wisdom that you bring. If you hadn't said it, I wouldn't have been able to engage with it, and I do so love engaging in discussions, which is why I do it.

Education is a good point too! If we substitute that for IQ I bet you're right and the same tendency holds true.