What will the USA and Germany do, when they have to give millions of foreigners free food, schooling, shelter, entertainment, transportation, and health care, without the ability to print money?
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Germany has a population of 84 million. If they take in 2+ million refugeees per year, who will pay for them? Especially, as we already determined that most of the 84 million aren't even working? And refugees already here won't be paying for those arriving?
Until now, they are simply inflating the money.
Will we pay for this with Bitcoin?
Universal income (Bürgergeld), in form of the digital euro, enters the room...
The Bürgergeld is just being printed. 🤷♀️
I don't see how replacing inflationary money with more-inflationary money will solve the problem that there is no real money or goods to hand out.
They don't have to print it any more when it's digital and once those funds can have an expiry date you can force people to work wherever you want. Like in a "Arbeit macht frei" camp.
Well, you'll get a black market and hyperbitcoinisation first.
"Arbeit Macht Frei" is the step after that, assuming the security forces are still at their posts
I'll take the first. Pass on the second.
If there are millions of them, they can just take what they want. They won't need money.
Police can't even stop them from shooting firecrackers. 😂
Well there is millions of us and we could just take what we want too but Germans are pussies. They'll starve before revolting.
Well, the country guys are better. And angrier.
You think the Germans are bad wait til you meet an Australian. The tanks would literally have to be rolling through the lounge room before they would wake up.
Yeah. I guess it's the same in many countries. The only ones with balls in Europe are the French hence the saying "everyone brings to the table what they've got. The Spanish their flag, the German's the BILD Zeitung and the French their balls!"
More inflation...and more taxes for workers to pay and help the people who doesn't work...it's like this for decades in France
increase taxes. At least Germany...
They're struggling to do that, now.
It's beginning to crush productivity and employment, and that will lead to a decline in business and income taxes.
They keep raising things like electricity and gas taxes, but that is just reducing sales.
Real tax receipts are set to decline. There was just a short inflation bump.
I agree 100%. Let's not forget that we're also already missing over 900,000 housing units resulting in rents going up and the Government having to rent social housing from the first market.
Olaf has to go, 6 months ago.
When someone finds out you have or will have an empty apartment, here, Germans start coming by and asking it.
The worst are the young mothers. My MIL just turned another one away. They show up on foot with a stroller.
Like something after the war.
They routinely turn women away from the womens' shelters. There's a waiting list.
So I've heard. I've been told that the city I live in does in average 40 social housing assignments per year. They have over 400 applications on their table and the "Wohnberechtigungsschein" is now valid for one year. Then you need to renew it for €10 for another year.
I've also heard that some retirees are picking up mini jobs because they're like 50€ over medical cost coverage with their retirement so they "have to" work again. Meanwhile others get full medical coverage because they're refugees. I'm sorry but that's absolutely ridiculous.
The Ampel has completely destroyed the German social infrastructure.
Yeah, my MIL has to pay lots of taxes in her Widowspension now, too. She's like, there must be some mistake.
Nope.
We're moving in with her because she can't afford to keep up the house alone and we can't afford to keep up two houses. And then we invest in our own property instead of paying crazy rent. Base rent went up 20% in January.
So bad. I wish I hadn't have to come back to Germany because of family stuff and to be honest I cannot wait to leave again.
I know a German woman who got a spot after she filed for divorce and she was the only German there and the only woman who hadn't been physically or sexually abused.
Some of them stayed with those men for months, waiting for a spot. 💀
They keep making the shelter bigger, but there's no way to keep up with demand, so long as the border is open. And the men would sometimes show up and the cops had to be called.
I can see why we let those women into the country, and why they get to stay, but why aren't their ex-partners immediately deported? That is insane.
Step #2: declare the refugees leader your Master of Horse, and that the refugees are Foederati and part of your army.
Step #3: declare every landowner has to give up 2/3rds of their property to your new friends, based on an absurd interpretation of an ancient law about military supply.
Step #4. Traumatic decomplexification. De-urbanisation. Dead people buried randomly in the ruins of public buildings. Give up on the Western Empire and pull back to the East.
Sounds like a plan.
Preferred answer: stop funding bombing them out of their homelands.
Actual answer: take yours, hopefully in an orderly manner via taxation.
We pray for peace, but most of the people coming here are coming from peaceful countries. I doubt ending the wars will make "living in a rich country at a high living standard for free forever" unnattractive.
Most people on the planet would probably like to move here, but if we just relocate millions of people here, the welfare state math doesn't check out.
German workers and laborers aren't productive enough to support multliple times their own number in welfare recipients. Printing harder and faster doesn't change that.
And Germans are already badly paid and most own no property. We have reached the phase where they lay down their tools and join the welfare line.
There are "push" AND "pull" factors.
A lot of "Merkel's Million" were "pushed" from Syria, whose destruction at the hands of jihadis was financed and armed by the West (with a lot of help from Qatar, Sa'udi and Turkey.
Jake Sullivan: "Al Qaeda was on our side in Syria".
I agree with you on the pull factors, though. Personnel are upstream of policy, and across the West we have nothing but feckless, irresponsible virtue-signallers who take no responsibility for outcomes and no longer seem embarrassed to be known as such.
Well... Texas is doing a thing about it...
Trying to, anyway.
We're in the very odd position of civil wars probably breaking out because one group wants to have a border because they don't want to be driven off their land, and one doesn't because they want to use the people invading to drive the other half off their land.
I think this might be a historical first.
Burn...
I can't see a pleasant off ramp..
They will not be able to. So there will be mass chaos. People will blame each other, turn against each other.
Sink...