On the last 21 meetup in Prague I've heard a guy saying "I don't have kids, but my friends had then in forest KiGa and it SUCKS."

So I'll add this about ours. We'll be probably homeschoolers, we don't vibe with standard schooling system from toddling age. I myself hated it since day oneπŸ˜–

We made it extra hard for us by renting a cottage 40km away from our apartment and from there the KiGa is daily 25 min drive to deep forests around castle KokoΕ™Γ­n. We took that "forest Kindergarten" literally. Also it's run by a therapist, so boooo, alternatiiiive!πŸ‘»

I rented cottage for my kids to run around naked in the summer, now it's more difficult, but still way better than our city apartment.

I share drives with another parents, who are happy to have partner and friends for their kid.

Kiga has a big heated yurt in the hill and down the hill is big house with toilets and space for lunch. Kids wash their dishes after lunch by themselves (they have two buckets for that, with soapy and clean water, and one where they scrape leftovers to feed chickens.)

When kids come, they have morning talk around fireplace outside, little exercise, then all take their backpacks and go to one of four places they have in nearby forest. There they take out big blanket, share some baked snack on the ground, sometimes bake apples over fire they make and play until lunchtime. Now they cleaned pond from snow and can bring skates. They all carry a small thermos, 1m of paracord rope, foam pad for sitting and a knife or a scraper to play with fallen branches and cones.

After lunch they all go to yurt, take out their sleeping bags and some fall asleep to the fairy tales. Especially my 3yo used to sleep for hours until I came, he was so tired from giving morning playing his all.πŸ˜…

After rest they can do some planned crafts or go back out and roam around yurt's playground, which has sheep on the hill. The village has three families and one tiny road, so apart from falling off something there's no real danger and nowhere to run off.

Little funfact is, that parents drive there in Porsches, minicoopers or new-ish multivans. But the kids are mostly unbelievably dirty, especially in muddy weather they're borderline disgusting and extremely satisfied. πŸ˜…

We say a clean kid on Wednesday is a clear sign it wasn't there first two days of the week, because everybody gives up on daily laundering soon. It's pointless, they dig in mud within three minutes after arrival, or at least fall into it.

One of my city mum friends said it's disgusting and she would NEVER let her kid play outside like that. She rather gives him a tablet, because he's otherwise insufferable indoors and she wants him to STFU and play nice or else. Good luck, kiddo. I'll add a photo of kids making a mud slide, ripping their pants and whatever. Daily.

We pick kids up around 4, they're outside playing, having usually a bread with some homemade spread.

One of serious recommendations for parents is to cover interior of your car in plastic πŸ˜…

My kids used to go to private KiGa last year, very nice clean house with three teachers on 15 kids. Extremely nice and very expensive. And always were sick😩 Here they built up muscles and immunity, seriously my 4yo has buns on his belly and arms when he flexes. And parents don't send half-ill kids here, because they wouldn't make it through the day, so no endless cycle of nose goo.

We adults know we wouldn't make it daily like the kids. They have so much energy and need to burn it out!

Let them burn it out, people.🫑

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This is utterly amazing. I am in awe of this.

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Really? I didn't think of it as any kind of dealπŸ˜… It's just something different and imho better, but also needs some sacrifice. Hence, my constant bitching here😁

It is. It is a big deal. And complain away! It's definitely harder, but, you and your children are better for it, and that has a much more positive impact on the future than anything else I can think of.

I hope so. Also forest Kindergarten not legitimate/certified thing in Czechia, so my older son has to find another to at least subscribe to for last preschool year. It's mandatory 🀩

That's no good, but, at least they are experiencing this. It's very good. But I do feel sorry for them having to go to school and also for you for judging to deal with them after they start school... Boys need to run and play so they don't tire they're mother out. LOL

We'll do a lot to keep them off normal school. I hope to find some reasonable compromise. I'm not a fan of having them home, because I run out of gas before noon, but shoveling them somewhere classic with 25 kids on one teacher and mandatory classes is deeply against my feelings πŸ’©

It is against mine, too, as if I ever have my own, they will not be subjected to indoctrination camps.

Good luck. Many parents around just give up, because raising kids alone in our modern setup (no grandmas and parents more 40yo than 20) is nearly impossible, keeping mortgage next to it is brutal and mantaining any kind of health between it is really difficult.

Well, I'm going to buy land and pay that off asap, the woman who will be the mother of my children will build the home while I acquire the resources needed to build the infrastructure. Then when the inevitable happens, children will have a cozy, kinda crazy life built in as healthy a physical, mental, and spiritual environment as possible.

I wish you the best.

Thank you. The hardest part is finding a woman to do that with... I can do pretty much everything else already.