Bitcoin requires extreme accountability. So does nostr.
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Being public on the internet requires extreme accountability. Nostr is not special in that regard.
Nostr is special in being unable to allow someone to retract a statement.
Agree to disagree. And a statement can be retracted without being deleted.
I'm with you on this point nostr:npub1clk6vc9xhjp8q5cws262wuf2eh4zuvwupft03hy4ttqqnm7e0jrq3upup9.
You can't unsay something. Scars of the past can be visible and be painful, but we still deal with them. It takes maturity for both sides to acknowledge where you were previously while also acknowledging who you are now.
However, I do understand the desire for a retraction+delete, and the current social implications for statements being on one's permanent record.
Socially, I'd hope that a system robust against deletion would encourage us all to be more compassionate towards our snapshotted selves while discouraging canceling over previous actions.
Wait a second here nostr:npub1m3xdppkd0njmrqe2ma8a6ys39zvgp5k8u22mev8xsnqp4nh80srqhqa5sf I remember something 🤔while back that perhaps wasn’t wanted on the feed…
Privacy will be maintained. 🫂
But it adds credibility to my thought process on deletes
😅 *maybe* you got me there. Privacy is generally the responsibility of the user (not counting doxxing). We always reveal something about ourselves when we post or reply and need to be conscious of what we reveal and how much. Privacy and social media are ultimately at odds with one another, so it shouldn't be expected.
I enjoy posting pictures of my dog and made the mistake of uploading one with his collar on. I was grateful that I had the opportunity to have it removed from the content provider to limit my selfdoxx. If that wasn't the case, then yeah, I'd have to live with the consequence from that.
Its the same with Nostr. Delete is an option, not a guarantee. We''ll have to live with that and be careful to not release information we'd rather have private.
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i agree. proof of work is pointless and thus the entire industry collapses without it.
Proof of work is pointless?
sorry it got away from me - *absence of proof of work is pointless. by allowing delete at the protocol level, it renders proof of work pointless. 🤙🏻
Posts are not proof of work in any meaningful sense I can think of in and of themselves.
Work put into a thoughtful post is an entirely separate context - which is why I thought we were all zap happy around here… to acknowledge work.
I see no reason why deleting a post undermines proof of meaningful work.
Care to clarify?
the larger conversation, as i just mentioned, which you were not involved in at the start and obviously did not bother to be sure you understood is this conversation is about deleting at the protocol level. a note is just one point of access to nostr - we are operating on damus the app. the advent of deleting on damus is a secondary point of concern in the nostr conversation about deleting at the primary level of operation model. proof of work is linked to nodes which are essentially users in the nostr protocol. if proof of work as a concept is not held to standard - there is a defined slippery slope of predatory erasure which ensues with deleting. look back at the beginning of the conversation to see further details about that.
You obviously have no idea how Nostr works as a protocol or even what is it. Damus is just an app. It speaks Nostr as a protocol.
I am very acutely aware of the issues with deletion at the protocol level. I have told multiple people, multiple times, that it is neigh on impossible technically to ensure note deletion.
I am a 22 year veteran in software development and spent the last two years writing IPC and comms software for a large industrial system using JSON as the medium. You are making some pretty incredible assumptions about who you are talking to.
I’ve read the thread. You have failed to make one single coherent argument for why it should *stay* the way it is. nostr:npub1clk6vc9xhjp8q5cws262wuf2eh4zuvwupft03hy4ttqqnm7e0jrq3upup9 articulated how he felt about it more clearly and less patronizing my than you did in one sentence, which is why he will stay in my feed, and you won’t.
i don't care who you are or what your perceived level of importance is. you were not in the original layer of conversation.
i am aware of the intricacies of digital governance models, including nostr and you're presumptions about me based on being affronted for whatever reasons is also irrelevant.
i agree with you about deletion being impossible at the protocol level. so why are you insulting me and being disrespectful. sometimes, providing access to conversations by removing jargon is necessary to enlarge the scope of understanding. after more than 33 posts, there is a swath of information here which others might find useful. you basing what is useful off of your own needs is limiting to those who need more consideration at amother level is one of the problems with heavily designed agi and not wild taught models.
Purr🐯. I was just passing by and i heard your conversation. She made no assumptions about who you are, you took it personal. She was just sharing(showing off) what she knows about nostr, open protocol and other boring stuff😜. Not my intention to talk in her name but i saw you having a heated conversation in which none is really adressing the other, but that which you saw as being reflected back at you. Just sayin'. Can't you people really commune(icate)? 💓
everyone handles situations differently. i return to my original comment which states this user was not involved in the original al conversation and entered into it assuming and not being interested in learning or listening. which on a protocol scale, is a problem. because that behavior is being trained into models.
This isn’t an echo chamber. Others are allowed to leave, join, and contribute to the conversation. That’s what social media is… people talking. Limiting “who” can enter the conversation cause ya don’t like what they have to say is a mute point.
of course - it doesn't follow they get to join the conversation antagonistically, miss the point of the discourse and target the person instead of focusing on feeling the discovery and conversation.
like this reply you just chirruped. it's ridiculous. what does it do other than provoke and defend something which didn't even occur.
Nostr isn’t bitcoin, it’s just a social network. I don’t understand why ppl conflate these things.
no one said nostr is bitcoin. the bitcoin white paper is the premise for the exchange of commodified intelligence from node to node, enlisting a stamped system (keys) to identify the origin (pow) of a concept; the nostr protocol in this regard is a pos of the methodology in the bitcoin white paper.
nostr is not "just a social network". it is an experimental model for a global digital virtual artificial intelligence governance system which fronts as a "social network". like most social media are in one way or another. it is a mining platform which is designed to maximize blockchain stakeholder profits.