It actually astonishes me how Apple folks are willing to continually bleed financially and actually hoping apple takes more money from them.

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They do it to themselves; zero sympathy from my end.

Me: buys used android, replaces with degoogled android and only uses free software

🤦‍♂️ I don’t even own a phone. I have a Mac for programming. I have 15 year old think pad with Linux for personal stuff. I have a Chromebook for testing. I use an old MacAir and raspi for Bitcoin.

These things are tools. You shit on people for buying snap-on instead of Kobalt too? How about we work together to solve the problems. Half of the US is using apple. I’m not going to throw them away because I of their choice of tools. They don’t even know about this space.

Where did I say throw it away?

You just said you hope apple taxes people on their bitcoin transactions, pick a lane.

There is nothing wrong with using what you have, but it sounds like you're here trying to tell me why MacOS is better, but you have nothing to show why except that it's what you use. I can run any distro of Linux I want on superior hardware for less money than any comparable apple product.

If you care to scroll way 👆 and read the original note you replied to, I specifically said that I'm a realist and don't think anybody should throw away devices over a stupid Apple decision. But if you give Apple your money, you just hate money.

Instead of reacting to what it “sounds like I’m saying” why not react to what I am saying.

Instead of reacting to what it “sounds like I’m saying” why not react to what I am saying.

Where did I say throw it away?

I am talking about the users, not the product.

You just said you hope apple taxes…

Every lightning node is paid for its utilization. If they provide payment through lightning, it will legitimize the bitcoin network in the minds of many normies. I don’t know what would happen, but I think people would start becoming more comfortable with products like BTCPay, and the devices that could interact with the most Bitcoin systems would be rewarded.

like the iPhone has made people more comfortable with digital payment methods, I believe it has helped the adoption of Bitcoin, especially lightning.

Mac OS is a required OS for certain types of work. With the introduction of apple silicon, it will not be so easy to put Mac OS on non apple products.

Part of why apple has done so well, is it created a really great programming language in 2014 and open sourced it. It works with Linux and Windows. It can also be used in developing apps for Android.

Apple is a ruthless competitor. They will take what they can. We need to create solutions, not tell people what to do. It’s not out of touch to buy something that lets you do your work best. What companies can a person buy from and it is ok?

we have the cold card and other wallet devices. Maybe when the cost of using apple or google gets too high, that will create the investment opportunity for open source wallet devices/software to take the stage. We haven’t even created a good alternative for most people yet.

Graphene OS is cool, but how much do you know about Daniel Micay?

The more you learn about the guy developing Graphene OS, the more you might question if you can trust it.

I'm not even going to attempt to address this circular logic word salad. There is literally nothing I need MacOS to do. I didn't say I want apple to tax, you did. Nobody is getting thrown away, I'm not even sure what you're ranting about. You can't point out one guy involved in a large project who stepped away, and say it can't be trusted, then advocate for the massive corporation that has proven they can't be trusted and want to restrict your choices.

I can not even begin to unpack the shitcoin mindset here, and I don't have any interest in debating it further with you, as you can't even maintain one logical stance in this discussion.

Lol, slow down when you are reading. Cmon man, we have chatted in nests together. Stop reading my stuff through the lens of an apple fan or something.

i copy pasted your responses and responded to them. I was showing you the comment, and my response.

a lot of people use Apple specifically because of its reduced functionality in some ways. Because the apps can not be side loaded, it is very difficult to plant malware on an apple device as opposed to other devices.

Apple is the malware, IMHO.

You use the devices you enjoy, bud. That's the beauty of free choice! But there is zero value they bring to the table for me. I'll use the money I save to stack more sats.