“When I looked harder, I realized that "the state" did not create fiat. Fiat created the state. Usury created the state to enforce and collect on debt.”

Could we look at this from an angle that profit created Fiat and profit now uses then State much like it uses the Banks? I think governing bodies is a natural manifestation of social animals, this has been observed over and over again. My default is to reject the notion of a State but let’s not inject that and let profit/capitalism be let off the hook so to speak.

“Bitcoin doesnt just fix money in the superficial sense of stopping the money printer. It breaks the whole model of the debt-based world. The whole thing breaks. Which is scary. But so is letting this continue.”

Everything leading up to this paragraph guides the reader into “Fiat is the problem” but I think it skips the vast majority of history. As Lyn Alden and many others have said, gold actually served as very good and hard money for a long period of human history, prior to technological advances rendering it useless. During these times there was still corruption, there were still those profiting off of someone else’s labor and centralizing wealth/power.

I have no doubt that #bitcoin will get us the vast majority of the way “there” but without changing ideology of profit of everything else…I’m reluctant to say Bitcoin will fix anything at all.

If Bitcoin succeeds, why is for profit capitalism the automatic winner IF it is still just a theory? Why couldn’t other systems like profit sharing, co-op, or even fully socialized industries survive perfectly fine and better than for profit capitalism?