"Seen"?
Sir, I lived (survived) 20 years of pure communist regime.
EVERYTHING was planned, even how much bread you are allowed to eat every day....
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Hell, I was talking about planned communities in the United States. Those are just sad and painful to look at. I just woke up and wasn't awake enough to ponder other locales.
My apologies, sir.
hehehe soon US will be USSR...
During the time you were living under that hell, did people who lived well outside of the cities (farmers) have it any better at all?
Yes, definitely.
That's I could survive, my grandparents had a homesteading and thought me a lot of stuff about animals and plants, how to survive etc
Why do you think I am preparing my own "citadel" homesteading now? I learned a lot from my grandparents those times.
a few more options here do offer up potential alternatives...
some states may eventually call default on feds for not preventing invasion as well as financial abuse...