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FREEDOM OR CONTROL - YOUR SUPPORT SHOWS YOUR CHOICE

I saw a long thread discussing another spam attack on Nostr last night. That's not going to stop for free relays. Spammers will always use free services with large audiences to spam. Stopping them is a game of whack-a-mole that even the big Social Media companies have failed to win despite their deep pockets and teams of engineers.

The solution is value-for-value: pay for what you use and find valuable. If Nostr benefits you in some way, be willing to pay for the tools you use that provide it to you (relays, clients, etc). If you can't pay but you can build or support it in some other way, that's great, too.

I had a person (jokingly I assume) say they were sad I didn't ⚑ them. The first thing that jumped into my mind when I read the note was "What benefit are you providing?" I had never seen any other post from them before.

If you want to live in a free world, you need to ask that question often, both of yourself and of others: what benefit are you providing? Because any time you're getting something "free", it's not free. Somebody is paying for it. If that person isn't you, then someone else is setting the agenda for what you consume. Is that what you want?

For many, the idea of freedom is like the idea of owning a boat. They daydream about how great it would be to have a boat, take it out on the water, fish, swim and enjoy it all. But they never buy a boat. Why? Because boats cost money and take work to maintain. All that pleasure has a price. Either you're willing to pay it, or you're not.

Freedom is no different. I hear a lot of talk about freedom today, and that's good. Freedom of speech is a big one. But what are you doing to support those that are building the tools that give you that freedom? Are you content to daydream about that freedom and how nice it would be while never taking any action, or are you willing to put some skin in the game to turn that dream into a reality both for yourself and others you care about?

We've been conditioned to get things for "free", but it's a lie and a trick that's resulted in us selling ourselves and our choices to the highest bidder. For me, Nostr is the path to freedom, but Nostr is not free. It costs money to run the relays, servers and services, and it costs time (which results in lost earning power) to code clients that provide the experience you want and create great content on an ad-free platform.

So if you believe in freedom, and I know you do (that's why you're here) then support the builders that are providing value to you. Show that freedom is not just a daydream. Governments and nefarious actors have long taken advantage of the masses just daydreaming about freedom. Let's wake the world up from that dream and make it a reality. This is our shot. Let's not miss the target.

My deepest thanks to all of those that are supporting the builders already. You are true heroes. πŸ™

There's many ways NOSTR clients can monetize their interface/app and improve UX simultaneously, and I'm not seeing anybody doing it. The opportunity is there for the taking for yourself or others.

Let me help you with the design of it.

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I'm open to your ideas if you care to share them here.

Okay, let's start with the flow for relays:

All active relays should be listed in the client interface with subscribe & designate options presented clearly (e.g. global). When click on any relay, a simple explainer text should appear giving basic info about the relay and it's cost (if any).

The relay list should be sortable by activity, ascending order and other relevant methods so users can easily filter and pick and choose their preffered relays from the entire list of relays. The default sorting should show the top 3 relays by activity and places 4th and 5th available for "promoted" relays: relays paying the client for occupying that position. Highest daily bidder wins the promoted spot and gains extra visibility. Below 4th & 5th are the remaining relays sorted by the current selected sort option.

Hidden off to the side is a little icon that, when clicked, opens an advanced relay menu where users can add new relays by their wss:// and other advanced options that are cumbersome.

By implementing this UI you will:

- Make it orders of magnitude easier for new members to understand, access and subscribe to relays, whilst retaining advanced options for more experienced users.

- Give new relays an opportunity to get exposure whilst driving revenue for the interface/client/app. There are many ways to further expand on this for niche relays.

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I'd be happy to visually design it for you for free. This, as well as many other flows that will greatly improve UX and/or provide further monetisation options (that aren't malicious and don't wreck incentives).

So take on advertisers. That's an idea, though it's my last resort. I would much prefer users to fund the app.

Is "take on advertisers" actually all you understood from my comment? I sincerely hope not.

Your basic premise is to take on advertisers, which is something I wish to avoid at this time. I get that wasn't all you had in mind, but my goal is to have users pay for the app, not third parties -- if at all possible.

Users pay for the app. okay where? How? Why? Where to find relays? Which relays to pay for?

Good luck if you think users will jump through all those hoops on their own to accomplish that. Build it as an intuitive functionality into the client, that's THE premise. Not advertising.

In short order there will be thousands of relays, maybe tens of thousands. I think tools to find and compare Relays is a good idea.

I’m not sure the nostr apps should do it or take sponsorships though. But a good space to start thinking.

I think sorting Relays by language first and then by capabilities to filter spam would be my top criteria.

Why in the world would NOSTR client interfaces NOT try to offer the best relay sorting experience possible???

That is a strong incentive for users to choose 1 client interface over another.

I use multiple search engines and multiple web browsers. I don’t necessarily want them tightly coupled.

I will pick the best app(s) for the speed, discovery, and zap features. For me, relay filtering is something I learn about independently of the app. YMMV.

Based on what you just said you are without a doubt NOT an accurate representation of the average social media user.

Agree and thank you!

My point exactly.

I look forward to seeing your UI ideas, I’ll critique and zap with an open mind! πŸ™

Why multiple search engines? If you use a private one isn’t it sufficient?

Mostly I use Kagi (paid, private). Sometimes DDG. Sometimes Google Reverse image search. I like Apple Maps for whatever reason. Keeping my eye on Bing for its ChatGPT integration