this is waxwing illustrating my point beautifully.

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its ridiculous to believe you somehow get rid of the UoA *by dividing two prices denominated in that unit of account*

the result is *proportional USD value*. the USD doesn't magically disappear because THATS WHAT YOU MEASURED WITH.

there's an argument to be made that the proportion would work out the same, no matter what UoA the market was using to denominate prices.

but that doesn't hold water IMO.

if we had any isolated markets that were denominating freely in something like gold or silver (free of USD market influence), i dont think the valuation of commodities would work out AT ALL like the USD denominated markets do.

what we use as the underlying unit of account *distorts pricing*

and don't even get me started about "are USD consistent across different markets and at different points in time"

because they're not. your "lets see where there charts are next year" means little.

what you will be measuring with will be a *different "USD"

this must be deeply appreciated.

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Pretty good articulation (compared to past ones), even if it's still a bit impossible to argue against the math. I still like the xmr discount you get in some specific markets as a concrete example, iirc. In that instance the arbitrage may not be wanted, as "cleaning the trail" might be considered more costly to seller than the discount.

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although im not clear what "argue against the math" means? you mean they obviously cancel out?

like when I divide the USD price of a 2010 Toyota Camry by the USD price of Bitcoin, US dollars disappear and have nothing to do with the proportion I get?

Yeah, the canceling out thing is hard to ignore. UoA and deep liquidity (hence easy arbitrage) is a tough thing to break from.

Was thinking other day though, that if you stretch out the time between trades, then you can more clearly see how it's different trading pairs, since usd price for things fluctuates a good deal over even relatively short times. I think it's a gradually then suddenly thing in the end. Maybe we slowly chip away at USD UoA as markets freeze up here and there, and people use BTC (or xmr..sigh) increasingly.

Yeah, you're trying to squeeze into a short note what may be a short essay to articulate properly. Not that I could do it, nor that I even fully agree with your claim. But I know you've thought about it a good deal, so maybe have more of a point than comes across in shorter replies.

I don't know... I feel like the more words I use the more it sounds like a semantic jerk off.

that short example that I just posted is probably better at actually communicating it effectively.