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This is not correct. All core developers are focused on payments. If there is a narrative out there that "Bitcoin Core supports inscriptions and Knots doesn't" that is wildly disingenuous.

The most important mistake specifically in your post is that looser op return limits mean there will be more inscriptions on chain. Inscriptions are very happy living in witness data already where they have been for years. It is much cheaper to store data there.

The goal of the v30 policy change is to match the behavior we *already observe* in miners, the consensus engine. This improves block propagation, fee estimation, and reduces the advantage larger miners have over smaller miners. In a word: decentralization.

Here's some more posts:

https://delvingbitcoin.org/t/addressing-community-concerns-and-objections-regarding-my-recent-proposal-to-relax-bitcoin-cores-standardness-limits-on-op-return-outputs/1697

https://delvingbitcoin.org/t/a-comprehensive-op-return-limits-q-a-resource-to-combat-misinformation/1689

CitizenPedro 3mo ago 💬 2

But wait, you really can't see how Antoine is arguing for Citrea and stuff like this in your post?

Happy to go on audio and record it to share resolution with the world. I don't know enough about this, but I do think Bitcoin Core 30 is more experimental than Knots.

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Block Art Transmitted By Relays 3mo ago 💬 1

Citrea, ARK, BitVM -- they are monetary bitcoin protocols like lightning. Its payments it's not jpegs

CitizenPedro 3mo ago

ChatGPT doesn't think this is true though.

"Lightning is purely about payments — off-chain channels using Bitcoin scripts, nothing more.

Citrea is a zk-rollup with its own execution environment. It can do payments, but its design is much broader: it enables smart contracts, dApps, NFTs, DeFi — basically Ethereum-like functionality anchored to Bitcoin. That’s way beyond Lightning.

ARK is a proposal for off-chain transaction pools using service providers — also payment-focused, but with different tradeoffs than Lightning (custodial-ish but scalable).

BitVM is an experimental framework for general-purpose computation verified on Bitcoin. Again, you can build monetary protocols on top, but its scope is computations, not just payments.

So lumping them all together as “monetary protocols like Lightning” oversimplifies things.

Lightning = yes, strictly monetary.

ARK = also monetary (alternative to Lightning).

BitVM and Citrea = general-purpose computation layers, not limited to payments.

And importantly — none of these are “jpegs” like Ordinals. That’s true. But to be precise, Citrea and BitVM are much closer to Ethereum-style smart contract layers than to Lightning’s payment channels."

Block Art Transmitted By Relays 3mo ago 💬 1

Whoa wait "experimental"? In what way? Just because of this policy change? If anything the code changes applied to core have at least 10-100x more testing and review than knots.

CitizenPedro 3mo ago

https://citrea.xyz/

Bitcoin's First ZK Rollup

Citrea is fully EVM compatible, enabling all the EVM developers to easily build on Bitcoin. Citrea implements a Type 2 zkEVM that makes the full VM implementation provable.

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Have you really looked into these things?

Bitcoin as a monetary network all the way. I'm with Luke and monetary conservatism on this. Keep all of this stuff out of Bitcoin.

You can do this everywhere else.