Oh interesting. I'll search that in a sec. I first the "map and territory" concept from the podcast "simply bitcoin" and I had the impression that bitcoiners used this concept, which doesn't appear to be the case.

Anyways, I "got" bitcoin and religion at the same time. It was quite a shift. Idk which came first. Interesting tidbit I found in my religious delvings : the Romans criticized the Christians as "atheists" - on one level, that's because Christians rejected the Roman and pagan gods ("pagan" means "rural" and they were distinct from the Roman pantheon) ; but on another level, they were called atheists because of exactly the argument I wrote above - that is, rejecting the material world, rejecting assumptions, rejecting judgements, and instead assigning importance to "the most high," which is God, but that's very different than the "spiritual" experience that arises from placing importance on material circumstance. In other words, Christianity was necessarily a philosophy before it decayed/corrupted into a religion. I am quite convinced that ancient Christians had more in common with modern atheists than modern Christians. But don't get carried away - there would still be differences. The similarity is in the focus on understanding **_what's really going on,_** while the difference would be, again, rejecting the assumptions made by modern atheists. The OF atheists - the Christians - were better at the game.