Nostr Web Client

jleger2023

And who pays the bills for the people running the servers and writing the code? If you find value in something, be willing to pay for it. It doesn't have to be expensive, but everyone needs to do their part. There's no such thing as a free lunch.

I personally am not content to sit back and let other people pay for the things I use so I can get it "free", because I know it's not really free. Putting somebody else in control in that way results in what we already have: a warped social landscape where narratives are driven by the people that bought and paid for it. *We* need to be the ones that have bought and paid for it because that lets *us* set the narrative -- our own narrative.

That's my opinion. I'm open to other ideas and how we can make things accessible and better for all, but ultimately the people using the service need to be the one paying for it or we're back to a top-down model that wrecks the common person.

₿i͎t͎c͎o͎i͎n͎ ✶ 2y ago 💬 3

Sounds like a free rider problem.

It has to be a cheap enough solution that the majority of the population can join but it has to cost enough that it is a barrier so smammer can't afford to spam..

All while, you have to make it simple enough for the masses.

That's where the relay problem comes into play. It's too confusing for the masses. I don't understand what half of these relay buttons do on Amethyst. I've seen the question asked multiple times but never seen it answered.

I've signed up for a paid relay but not sure of the full benifits of that are.

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jleger2023 2y ago

I agree. We have a lot of work to do to make everything simple and easy for the average user so it's not confusing. If people want the benefits they need to put a little effort into learning how things work (just like they had to do with their cell phones and the Internet), but the devs should do our absolute best to make that learning curve as small as possible.

Roaming 2y ago 💬 1

What if clients start to be small relays themselfs? Is this technically possible? This way everybody using it contributes. Something like what ipfs does with files.

jleger2023 2y ago

That's certainly possible for a peer to peer network as opposed to the current federated relay network. I'm in favor of that for clients that replace apps like WhatsApp. But devices like phones don't have the CPU or bandwidth to handle what relays are doing for the general social network. P2p also has poor performance in comparison, so pulling down large feeds like people do now would be a bad user experience. But again, I'm all in favor of a Nostr-driven WhatsApp replacement!

⚡A C V⚡ 2y ago

Proof of Work was originally meant to solve this problem, not the Byzantine Generals problem of transaction finality across decentralized participants.

It was a spam prevention proposal. Require someone prove they're a normal user with limited activity by doing a quite large amount of work that wouldn't bother a normal person making 1 post per minute or so. The problem is that this seems to be a phone first ecosystem and work is hard on a phone's battery.