Nostr Web Client

In all seriousness, where do you see the future of Nostr? So far it would seem that the growth has slowed down and we are just flat. Many apps has been created but only few are maintained and not dead yet. What are we missing here? Did the novelty start wearing off and we are just lacking anything that normal user would see as worth exploring here? 🐶🐾🤔🤔🤔

Laeserin 1y ago

I think we're in the refactoring dulldrums, is all. Never been on a big project that didn't stall out and rework, at some point, because some of the stuff didn't scale well or some of the founders got bored and wandered off.

Projects are already deep into maintenance and some experimental types refuse to do maintenance and have nobody in the team to pick up after the Proof of Concept stage.

I think we're going to have fewer projects, going forward, but they'll be larger, more seriously run and better-supported. And stuff will be less buggy.

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The Fishcake (nostr.build) 1y ago

Great observation! 🐶🐾🫂🙏🏻

Laeserin 1y ago

Don't you think that users also underestimate how much time is spent on system admin and DevOps stuff? Or trying out a new tech stack?

As soon as you try to scale something up, without losing performance, development slows down, dramatically, because that's when you have to Do Hard Things and Try Stuff Out and Test Test Test.

The Fishcake (nostr.build) 1y ago

99% of developers do not know how things scale or how to scale, therefore making poor design decisions along the way. 🐶🐾🫡

Laeserin 1y ago

That's why we see more developers with enterprise experience starting to enter the space, but we're used to 2-year roadmaps, with the first 3 months just setting up the sprawling dev environment, assigning roles, deciding if you want to use a framework, selecting languages and unit test programs, figuring out how to name things and how to organize folders and... everyone be like WHEN CLIENT?

Yeah, yeah. Shaddup.

Daniel Wigton 1y ago

As one of the 99% I take exception to this note because you didn't tell me what my poor design decisions are and how to avoid them.

Daniel Wigton 1y ago

I personally think Nostr picked all the wrong primitives, but have to admit Json at least makes it easy to adopt.

Vivi Nella Verita 1y ago

You should run a relay and see how shitty they are.

ᴛʜᴇ ᴅᴇᴀᴛʜ ᴏꜰ ᴍʟᴇᴋᴜ 1y ago

i'm pleased to say that in my work progress is going well but it is well into refactoring stage now... just had a massive leap forward with bulk iterations of the database, the time for completing a garbage collection count pass escalated to basically infinity after a couple of gigabytes of data but now i have got a counter that runs in 10 seconds on a 15gb store

i can see how i might even be able to do reindexing, fast data backup, and in the near future full text indexes and even maybe go the next step to graph database and design a better search API

filter searches are just the most minimal required index and search API for nostr, it will have to get a lot more advanced to provide the necessaries such as which you are constantly ruminating about

Laeserin 1y ago

I love anything visual. Used to Kibana, but now everyone is all over the graphDBs and stuff. Haven't even touched that, yet.

Would love to explore the relay landscape with heat maps or topic cluster maps, etc. We haven't really even started thinking of the real cool-beans stuff that can be done with an open dataset.

Nobody else has that because they try to make money off of controlling access to the data or forcing you to use their crappy API.

ᴛʜᴇ ᴅᴇᴀᴛʜ ᴏꜰ ᴍʟᴇᴋᴜ 1y ago

yeah, in most cases they may have started with an open api but closed it up for reasons, usually proprietary ones, which is another way of saying spooks get a monopoly on the data access

hodlbod 1y ago

Yeah, the pareto principle is brutal. Want to get something more than 80% done? Enjoy your 5-10 year long grind! I am currently entering this phase with 15k lines of code, and am just trying to balance protocol support, UX improvements, new features, and bug fixes. It's not as fun as it was at the beginning, but that is absolutely ok, this is what I'm here for.

Laeserin 1y ago

Yup. This is where hacking ends and engineering begins.