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If nature created god, then why isn’t nature considered to be god? That would make more sense. I know some people that believe that but religion calls it blasphemy.

God being consciousness is plausible but again, why this specific god from the Bible and not a different god? And why is worship good simply because it derives benefits equivalent to meditation? Other religions have followers that feel good and derive benefits from their forms of worship. Every religious person I’ve ever met swears that worship gives them peace and joy even though they oddly always say that they should do it more but consistently fail to do so. How can worshiping be so beneficial when most people are going to be worshipping the wrong god? Since every religion claims only one religion is correct and that the other gods are false. That means most people are worshipping the wrong god. And if they’re worshipping the wrong god, but still deriving benefits, then it means that god is arbitrary. It means whoever god is, doesn’t actually matter. You can worship god or worship the state or worship celebrities. The act of worship is clearly more important than the entity being worshiped.

In my opinion, for whatever reason, humans evolved to be obedient sheep. They are followers. They find peace and comfort in outsourcing their thinking. This is consistent with what we see from humans at a large scale. They don’t verify anything. They believe in things without being able to articulate why. Ask someone why they get vaccinated. They’ll tell you they believe in science. But that’s not how science works lmao. Ask someone why they continue to vote. They’ll tell you it’s because they want to preserve their freedom. More illogical contradictions. The act of voting is a surrender of your freedom. But people feel good after they vote. They feel they are more free because they participated in democracy. But that is proof that just because you feel good, doesn’t mean you’ve improved your life in any way. Like eating fiat food full of high fructose corn syrup.

But the worst thing about worship is that it rewards inaction. Instead of fighting for freedom, people close their eyes and imagine freedom being handed to them. Instead of ending the fed, they pray for a better economy. Instead of ending wars, they pray for peace. You are dealt a a shitty hand of cards and told to wait for your reward in the after life which no one can prove even exists. It’s the biggest scam.

Those are my two sats. I think we’ve gone around in circles plenty so let’s just agree to disagree here 🤝

Because the last church of nature got the boot from Jackson and put on reserves. And i don't know every verse, but i know Revelation 11:18 says "The nations were angry, and Your wrath has come,

And the time of the dead, that they should be judged,

And that You should reward Your servants the prophets and the saints,

And those who fear Your name, small and great,

And should destroy those who destroy the earth."

The earth is as much a temple to the bible as your body is. You sound like you blame God and religion for what people do. The fact that Christian morallity and logical mortality are basically the same is one reason, another is the repeating consistencies with history. Another is evidence, including but not limited to the Shroud of Turin.

https://open.spotify.com/episode/2pZJuZe2qJJaqKSufA8EhI

The meditation question, it literally says your body is a temple. Why wouldn't both be a way to tap in? To worship, because most of worship is directed gratitude which feels good no matter where you direct it.

There's lots of wrong things that make you feel good. Heroine feels amazing. Long term? Not so much. Also, again, gratitude which again, gives chemical release.

There's also a distinction you should consider that religion the practice gives meaning and religion the institution is a business so obviously it's going to be corrupted and resistant to change. Every tried to get somebody to use a new kind of money? 😆

Good hash, my guy. I hope i made the slightest thing seem more sensible 🤝

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