Privacy Ranked:

I’m going to rank these least private to most, and explain why on each step.

Discord

Why: Discord is as bad as it gets. It's not only completely unencrypted, but they maliciously sell your data and have such huge restrictions on VPN IPs and SMS VoIP verification.

SMS

Why: It’s going naked over the phone lines, but isn't heavily sold in such a rotten way as Discord.

VoIP

Why: VoIP is just as horrible as SMS, but separates your real physical location from the cell tower

Telegram

Why: Unlike VoIP, it does have end-to-end encryption, but only on mobile. And with weak encryption that they made up, that hasn’t been properly reviewed [Source: Madaidans of Whonix]

Signal

Why: Telegram has no metadata protection, while as Signal has sealed sender. Signal’s encryption is stronger and more thoroughly peer reviewed. Also Signal has a good legal track record and isn’t strict on crypto VoIP burners like Telegram. Having phone numbers isn't that big a deal if I paid $1 of crypto for a random VoIP burner in Cambodia without restrictions on Tor. Btw, my Signal # is Cambodian: +855 68 504 905

Matrix

Why: Tucker Carlson’s Signal was hacked. Also, academic papers have shown Signal’s sealed sender has flaws. If you self-host Matrix, that's much more control than trusting Amazon's AWS, which is a CIA contractor. Many open source projects use Matrix rooms.

Session

Why: Most Matrix users use Matrix.org which is Cloudflare with Gmail verifying the emails. Setting up a Matrix server is more expensive and complex than just opening Session and hitting "create account". Session’s onion routing, non-location based DNS, and decentralization is stronger than Matrix's Cloudflare-dominated network.

SimpleX

Why: Session lacks (by default) rotating keys and multiple identities. You can manually rotate keys using your blockchain name, and manually get multiple accounts at once via enabling it on Linux, but most won’t want to do this just to avoid government domain names (which most SimpleX users use). Session is better for censorship of servers, SimpleX is better for end users being invisible.

Self-hosted Tor XMPP

Why: SimpleX is hiding from servers, but if you control the server, that’s stronger. Even a self-hosted SimpleX server only picks half the conversation. Also, XMPP has a longer proven track record, which is more eyes on the code. Now if you DON'T self-host XMPP, it's way up on the list next to Matrix.

Self-hosted Tor XMPP w/ OTR

Why: OTR nukes the conversation when it’s done. It literally destroys the encryption keys. Game over bro.

Conclusion:

Anything is better than Discord. Now, let's play a game, pick a communication method I did not mention, and you tell me where you think it should rank on the list. Then, we'll discuss.

You definitiv need go deeper with your researches....

Telegram

= NO privacy & NO Dataprotection at all= it´s #Putins Messenger to destroy democratic states.

Everythins is stored in some russian cloud.

And everyone can hack into any Telegram account with Websites like TGTracker!!!

Signal

All traffic of the SignalApp goes over the Clouds of Amazon, Google, Microsoft & Cloudflare - they only talk about "third partys"!

Do you think thats secure?

Especially in combination with US (Spy) Cloud-Act

"The CLOUD Act primarily amends the Stored Communications Act (SCA) of 1986 to allow federal law enforcement to compel U.S.-based technology companies via warrant or subpoena to provide requested data stored on servers regardless of whether the data are stored in the U.S. or on foreign soil."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CLOUD_Act

Everybody can verify this. These subdomains, are used by signal

Amazon:

textsecure-service.whispersystems.org, cdn.signal.org, sfu.voip.signal.org

Google:

storage.signal.org, contentproxy.signal.org

Microsoft:

api.directory.signal.org, api.backup.signal.org

Cloudflare:

cdn2.signal.org

Make a "tracert" in your Windows-Console and you will see that the last contact is always the IT-Gigant above.

Its even more worse:

These 4 big IT-Gigants can see and store the IP Adresses from the sender and receiver. So they can collect all the metadata around your person.

MetaData is, what it is all about!!!

"Metadata absolutely tells you everything about somebody´s life. If you have enough metadata, you don´t really need content."

SA General Counsel

Stewart Baker

Read:

"We kill people based on metadata"

https://www.nybooks.com/daily/2014/05/10/we-kill-people-based-metadata/

Also Signal:

"we showed that the multi-device support of the #Signal messenger can be abused to eavesdrop on all communication after a one-time credential breach.

Thus, currently, the Signal messenger does not provide message privacy in the post-compromise security scenario."

https://eprint.iacr.org/2021/626.pdf

It´s NOT possible to use the Signalapp anonymous, as you need to give out your mobilenumber. So you can be tracked with "silent SMS".

Matrix / Element

Matrix is a (h)spawn of the American Amdocs Group!

"The initial project was created inside Amdocs..."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matrix_(protocol)

You should take a closer look at what they do:

In more than 90 countries with over 26,000 employees, they generate mobile phone bills for more than half of the world's population and provide services for the mobile phone industry!

Mobile phone companies send them the connection data and Amdocs apparently only creates the bill.

This means that since the 1980s they have known who has been in contact with whom, how often, for how long and at what time!

So you can easily say that Amdocs is the world's first big metadata company. Even the USA went too far and in 1999 they tried to investigate the company and shut it down!

Amdocs:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amdocs

So we shouldn't be surprised if they now want to continue this metadata collection "passion" with messengers too.

The Matrix protocol is intentionally designed to reveal metadata!

The Matrix Client Element even openly admits that they use metadata to profile users!

This is stated in their privacy declaration (under 2.2):

"... but we might profile metadata ..."

https://element.io/privacy

The Matrix Client Element even openly admits that they use metadata to profile users!

The Israeli Morris Kahn doesn't just invest 20 - 30 million in Matrix & Element, he always wants something in return = MetaData.

Session

Session comes from the creators of the most unsuccessful cryptocurrency Loki!

I think the only purpose of this messenger is to fill their dead blockchain with life

There are also dubious backers from China behind it - see: https://loki.network/team/

SimpleX Chat

everything is alread said here:

https://primal.net/e/note1g0vd77lghpsukc47dqmzqfk3w820heh8ej2q3vndvsnr5vhwpjcs9ff37q

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When you gonna learn:

There is no such thing as a "free messenger" - there are always a data collectors behind it!

Look where the money comes from = Look who´s behind !!!

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There is only one messenger, for which the user pays a one-off fee and which does not collect any data in return.

Threema only stores messages until they have been delivered to the recipient.

And most importantly: Threema is the only messenger that does not store any metadata or IP addresses.

If you communicate digitally - and we all do that today - and don't want to leave any traces behind, there's no way around the Threema app.

Check it for yourself:

Visit

https://www.securemessagingapps.com

Rate:

🟩=3 🟨=1 🟥=0

Results (and where the money comes from)

1. Threema = 86 = most secure Messenger (User pays one-time)

2. Signal (OTF / Brian Acton / Ex-WhatsApp) = 80

3. Session (Loki Coin & suspicious Chinese) = 77

4. Wire (Janus Fries / Ex-Skype) = 68

5. SimpleX Chat *= 67

6. Wickr (Amazon) = 61

7. Element / Matrix (Amdocs / Morris Kahn) = 56

8. Apple iMessage (Hardware sales) = 37

9. WhatsApp (Meta) = 32

10. Google Messages (Ads) = 28

11. Telegram (Putin) = 27

12. Facebook Messenger (Meta) = 26

13. Microsoft Skype =10

* SimpleX Chat got 380.000 $ from VillageGlobal.vc = Jez Bezos, Mark Zuckerberg, Bill Gates, ect.

OFT = OpenTechnologyFund = US-Goverment

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> it´s #Putins Messenger to destroy democratic states.

Everythins is stored in some russian cloud.

I would not recommend telegram to anyone but this is typical partisan political hack coal. You can look up telegrams data centres online and none are in Russia. The company and its main dev team are based in the UAE (itself a problem) and legally in British virgin islands (tax shelter) the company left Russia and the Durovs were forced to offload VK (where they actually made their fortunes) by the Russian govt.

This is all easily verifiable online and you make me distrust everything else you say when you post this garbage.