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Drivechains

Alright people, we are playing a game of chess here. The one thing, the absolute one thing, we can't do is give up the king. To give up the king, in my humble opinion, is to mess up the base layer. This mistake would disrupt the delicate incentive structure that ensures sound money. That sound money pegs the extremely fragile credit markets and out-of-control G7 policymakers that are creating clown world with their CB fiat policies.

We don’t need the sound, pegged, money to move fast, we don’t need the money to do smart swoopty things, we just need it to be pegged, immutable, and digitally sailable to actually stop the madness of clown world.

By introducing a whole lot of technical complexity to the base layer and potentially screwing with the incentives all so we can connect to a bunch of centralized shitcoin projects is like playing offense with the king when you’re down 7 pieces and the other player still has their entire back row at their disposal.

A. Why the rush!?

B. Why not just go use Monero if you need that level of anominity in your transactions. Why do you have to have it in a wrapper via drivechains?

C. Why risk the king without deep understanding and testing of the technical risk and potential change to incentives?

The beauty of Bitcoin is you can build it and softfork it, and we’ll let the community vote with their nodes. BUT, I for one, have no use for drivechains (that doesn’t mean everyone is like me). And as a result, I will not be updating my node and running any attempted “secret” softfork updates by the miners.

Preston, with all due respect, if you dont know the difference between a soft and hard fork, i dont see any point in you weighin on such technical topics, you dont know what you are talking about.(but everyone is free to share their opinion ofc)

That being said i absolutely agree with you on this point. Dont do shit that fucks up bitcoin, and make stupid trade-offs, but this is a very nuanced thing.

Not sure you know, but bitcoin looked way different a few years ago it changed quite a bit.

Some of those changes bought risk and complexity, but also allowed us to do a lot of interesting things.

FWIW SegWit was such a change, but it payed of, we fixed maleability enabled LN and other stuffs.

I am not 100% sure drivechains is the best thing, but also i dont have a hate them, but non-technical arguments, dont really convience me.

These kind of remarks just sound like whataboutisms(its a thing).

Also nodes do not vote, that is technically incorrect.

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Those "interesting things" turned out to be collective screeching from redditards and twitter when some folx decided to use segwit/taproot to "do a little magic" having understood the ramifications far better than those that signaled for taproot.

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Check out the drive chains site, or layer two labs for technical explanations. It's very interesting. It solve a problem you (we) don't even know we have yet.