hmmm i would first take issue with "societal respect" which seems suspiciously akin to "social justice" in that there can be no such thing, as justice is based on 1-1 one issue at a time...

respect is similar.

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I mean that most individuals are generally pretty respectful of people, moreso than most individuals in ancient Rome.

rome was destroyed by imperialistic multiculturalism.

at end of empire there was something like 10% (less maybe if i recall correctly) were ethnically "roman"...

*official roman citizens

7 million out of 120 million in the empire...

Rome was destroyed by inefficient monetary and fiscal policy and an excessive reliance on coercion. The various distinct cultural/national identities across a wide geographic region determined where the splits would be. The splits themselves were from Rome losing its ability to fund things and to influence culture and maintain legitimacy in the eyes of the people.

If a large portion of people (not 100% but most) starts to recognize that every single individual has their own identity and yet they are worthy of respect, a libertarian or anarchic split occurs, where there may be broad national identities but there will be little to no coercion mandating collective action, and instead collective actions become voluntary contributions. This has happened in the past in many places, and it will happen again. There is little stopping it besides silly mystical notions of divine right to rule. That is the basic way the causality works, in rough language. The loss of legitimacy in the eyes of the people.

thats yesteryears propaganda for self-hating whites and their anti-white weaponized counterparts:

if you need contemporary examples, see DETROIT, CHICAGO, SF, NY etc ad infinitum🥱

I think you misread me here because I didn't say anything remotely anti-white or racial. Culture and national boundaries can be along ethnicity but do not have to be, and that is related to the success of the state by means of the perception of its legitimacy to rule over that population.

but you did say that the fall of rome was because of monetary policy and coercian...

it was multiculturalism which is clear by the recent genetic analysis of rome which shows that 80% of rome at time of collapse was non-european...

of course you dont know that because if you did you would have spoken out a long time ago against the same thing happening here...

thus the function of "rome fell cuz muh austrian econ"...

anyhoo... good luck with it.

thanks lol!

That's correlation. That's not necessarily causation. I think it was caused by BOTH problems. It was a complex system.

You are showing your irrationality again.

you seem to have a moderns bias and arrested understanding of what the Divine Right To Rule was originally - what the fallen losers did with it in late monarchy is another story...

I might not understand what divine right to rule meant in context before the later empires, but that's irrelevant because I was talking about democracy's divine right to rule in modern times. I was being poetic.

really? i dont see that...

i see some sort of clenched-ass proxy quite a bit though... revealed by body language most often.

maybe you are mistaking fear of offending or fear of losing #socialcapital for respect?

It is in fact extremely hard to gauge. My argument here was not a very strong one. I think however that your argument is equally weak in that it assumes people to be at the same level of respect, much as mine does little more than assume people to be at a higher level of respect.

Regardless of this, anarchy theoretically does not require people to be universally or even any more respectful than they already are in order to function adequately. David Friedman addresses this in The Machinery of Freedom.

its a race thing bro.

Specifically on the basic level of slavery. Most people today believe that slavery is a bad thing and that no one should be a slave, and seeing all human beings as, well, human beings, mostly. We have made progress toward the libertarian society that I and other consent radicals want. I think that this most basic thing is pretty much irrefutable.

This has coincided also with massive economic growth since the gradual abolition of slavery in the 1800s, and I think there is some significant bidirectional causality there. It is much harder for people to be complacent with there being slaves everywhere when they have enough comforts to now think about other people. Slavery is also inefficient and unsustainable, and its removal brings more profits to those who do not construct power structures to keep people enslaved. These power structures, incidentally, can only be constructed at great expense, usually with other people's money, as slavery loses money when protection of that alleged right is left up to individuals. Once it is no longer supported by the state, it is almost universally eradicated.

not to be harsh bro but MS-13 and chiraq gangstas dont give a fuck about your cracker philosophy and reason...

dont you know thats just white supremacy?

what then? if you are in west you gonna move? where?