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Isn’t that the same on all music platforms? I would have thought yes but I could be wrong

So traditionally you go through a distributor like distro kid or unitedmasters and select all the platforms you want to distribute your music to and they do it on your behalf

Wavlake let’s you distribute your music with them for 10% split and it’ll show up on every platform that taps into rss

But the problem is when you distribute your music outside of Wavlake, it’ll show up everywhere else that taps into rss but not them, so really they’re a walled garden where the only music on there is the music uploaded through them

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𝕾𝖊𝖗 𝕾𝖑𝖊𝖊𝖕𝖞 7mo ago

so really the opposite of freedom and decentralization

node 7mo ago

If you distribute through wavlake its available through wavlake and rss but not if you distribute through somwwhere else. Ok got it. So with 10% it charges way less than apple or spotify, but the walled garden part is not the best.

I used to put stuff on soundcloud but moved to wavlake since they went the constant ads route and memberships

𝕾𝖊𝖗 𝕾𝖑𝖊𝖊𝖕𝖞 7mo ago

You can do 0% on your own and show up EVERYWHERE else except for Wavlake

node 7mo ago

Doesnt spotify, for example, take most of the money you make on a track? Or thats a separate thing?

𝕾𝖊𝖗 𝕾𝖑𝖊𝖊𝖕𝖞 7mo ago

Spotify pays you $0.003 per stream

Others pay differently but similar

node 7mo ago

Right. What I’m wondering is how much money Spotify makes per stream ie is the .003 equivalent to the 10% Wavlake takes

node 7mo ago

If someone zaps a track on Wavlake 10000 sats, Wavlake takes 1000 sats. Seems like I would need a lot of streams to get to that. But I understand your point about the walled garden

node 7mo ago

I meant “ what Spotify makes on a stream, is it equivalent to the 10% Wavlake takes”

The ₿udtender 7mo ago

Apples to oranges. Spotify makes money by using your content (as an artist) to sell subscriptions and they kick the artist a $0.003 "commission" on the artists own IP.

The wavlake model takes a 10% split which is more akin to what happens with the middlemen in the existing industry taking a cut of profits. Not as egregious as other middlemen though. It all varies but traditionally management will take 15%, distro takes 20%, and the label takes 25% leaving the artist with only 40% before any expenses...

node 7mo ago

That’s exactly my point though. Wavlake is a walled garden so that’s not the best. Still a better deal than Spotify or similar platform.

The ₿udtender 7mo ago

Agreed, its better than Spotify but its also not as good as using self-hosted solutions.

For example, RSSBlue.com (hosting) takes a 2% split.

node 7mo ago

When you use rssblue, where does the song show up? Spotify and similar platforms? Is there other places where it shows up and you get paid?

The ₿udtender 7mo ago

It shows up everywhere in the valueverse except wavlake.

node 7mo ago

That’s why I’m asking. I have no idea what the value verse represents. Is it only platforms that pay roughly .003 per stream? Are some places more generous?

The ₿udtender 7mo ago

Spotify pays 0.003 per stream. Other legacy music platforms (apple music, pandora, etc) have their own payout structures. None of them pay very much. You're basically renting your content to them for fractions of pennies while they get filthy rich off of your PoW.

Valueverse refers to tracks uploaded through an rss feed, more specifically the ones set up on an rss feed which allows boosting/zapping (aka podcasting 2.0).

Generally, the valueverse embodies much of the FOSS ethics that we hold important in nostr and bitcoin.

node 7mo ago

Thanks for the explanation. Right now I’m putting my stuff on Wavlake, where do I put it if I want to be on the valueverse? Just sign up to rssblue?

The ₿udtender 7mo ago

There's lots of options! I use rssblue which does charge $5 a month but they make it easy to build the rss feed. There are other providers out there - I'll let the podcast ppl give suggestions on alternatives nostr:npub19ha7tju4teqp3dmwv4p28wrcy9zd6h6hxkg5mwvjrlfycweazpkse2q0fa nostr:npub177fz5zkm87jdmf0we2nz7mm7uc2e7l64uzqrv6rvdrsg8qkrg7yqx0aaq7 nostr:npub1yvgrrzf4dnmu30qfhw95x87ruu0g2kpv3a64h8hpvqsre8qeuspsgd6pv9 nostr:npub1yvscx9vrmpcmwcmydrm8lauqdpngum4ne8xmkgc2d4rcaxrx7tkswdwzdu

If you host your own website you can just upload the file yourself, grab an rss template, and point the tag towards where it was uploaded. That's the free DIY solution.

node 7mo ago

When you self host, what makes the podcasting 2.0 apps find it? Just setting up the rss template?

ChadF and 33 others 7mo ago

Add it to the Podcast Index which Wavlake does do. That's why Wavlake music shows up in Fountain, LNBeats and other podcasting 2.0 app.

DuhLaurien ✌🏻👽💨 7mo ago

You add your feed URL here:

https://podcastindex.org/add

StevenB 7mo ago

Dude, if you're on Wavlake, you're in the Valueverse™. If you like Wavlake, use Wavlake. They make it easy, and they make all the music on Wavlake available in any podcast player. However, their player only plays Wavlake music, it doesn't allow you to play non-Wavlake music on it, so if someone decided they want to host their music on RSS Blue or self host it, it's available in all the podcast apps, but it's not available on Wavlake. Wavlake is a check valve, their music can go out, but nobody else's music can come in. You decide if that's the sort of ecosystem you want to support.

node 7mo ago

🤝