I think it's possible for a civil/society to last with government but not with overrreaching government.

the past 40-70 years in the West have seen a degradation of education and more and more tax to feed politicians.

perhaps if there are limits set in the beginning? idk

the Internet has made things worse by far, socially especially in the West. people no longer talk face to face as they once did.

I remember when it was not like this.

idk.