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My main takeaway is the data is not cut and dry, and there is no one size fits all - getting any vaccine should be a personal choice. Also official data, like most history books, is massaged if not downright fiction.

Lostdog 1y ago 💬 1

You can't just call data "fiction" without proving it. You go ahead and do your own research, but do real research and not visit some stupid online blogs and think you're an expert because you're not, that's just being lazy.

I'd fully agree with you on vaccination being a personal choice for adults, like COVID, flu, etc. However, we've had 4 young children die this year alone from whooping cough, in a single mid sized city. Was it these kids "personal choice" to not be vaccinated or was it a stupid decision by their misinformed and/or cowardly parents?

The last time we had 4 deaths in the entire country from whooping cough was 1962, a few years after the National vaccination scheme started. When I was young, whooping cough wasn't even a thing, it was some old historical disease, like lepra or smallpox (which interestingly was eradicated globally by vaccinations)

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Hazey 1y ago 💬 1

Now do how many kids died or were injured or autistic from other causes because they won't say it's from vaccines.

Lostdog 1y ago 💬 1

You're the one saying childhood vaccination somehow causes injury and autism, so you should be the one proving that hypothesis.

And please don't try the Wakefield MMR paper that was debunked 20 years ago and where investigative journalists also discovered Wakefield had several multi million dollar conflicts of interest.

Hazey 1y ago 💬 1

You can't show me vaccine effectiveness and safety data without also revealing massive conflicts of interest. You can continue to trust your venerable institutions post scamdemic but autism used to be 10,000 to 1 and now it's like 35, while childhood vaccines skyrocketed but no big business funded science will ever discover that causation.

They are lying to your face about covid vaccines, but they would never do that with other vaccines, right?

Lostdog 1y ago 💬 1

Predictably, you're avoiding the question, trying to deflect and implying correlation equals causation.

As far as I can tell from the data, COVID vaccines only make sense for vulnerable groups, which means 99.x% are adults that can make their own decision and we probably agree on COVID vaccine mandates being bullshit.

But let's go back to your "childhood vaccines cause autism and injury" nonsense: where's the data to back it up?

Hazey 1y ago

There are whole books on it and you ask me for data as if it doesn't exist. You will only accept sources that are promoted by monied institutions with conflicts of interest because of their authority. This type of person does not think independently so I will no longer engage. 🦜

Lostdog 1y ago

A book is not the same as data, please don't conflate the two. I'll happily accept any independent source. So again, where's the data underpinning your conclusions?

So far it's been all sizzle and no steak tbh