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But at the heart of it all is a reflex to invalidate the messenger, as though that’s some superseding move of the scientific method

Presumably we’re connected here to a freedom movement - that requires that people be allowed to choose their affairs for themselves.

The attitude that people are too dumb to manage their own lives is not coherent with freedom. It could be true but if I believed that I wouldn’t be here - I’d be at war defending my blue check.

Bill Cypher 2y ago

I want to believe that people are smart enough to manage their own lives... Full grown adults who can't understand the basics of how respiratory viruses spread even though we teach it in kindergarten gives me pause. Take a minute to explain it to them and it becomes clear they can't separate someone being an authoritarian dick from their statement about how a disease spreads, a basic logical fallacy.

If you want to be a big kid anarchist, grow up and do the right thing. Don't let one government official turn you into a blind reactionary. I don't care what the government laws are. Doesn't mean a thing if they agree or disagree with my existing position. If you are changing your beliefs because the law changed, to align with or against them doesn't matter, you are an NPC.

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Phundamentals 2y ago

Hmmm. Just because our govt teaches us something in Kindergarten doesn’t make it fact - that pretty basic right? You mentioned theories needing to be falsified in your first reply. Germ Theory is unproven but there is a Nobel recognized rubric for doing so. (Hint: it’s Koch’s Postulates and any debate on whether a virus is contagious should be discussed in these lines - not whether our government mandated education for 5 year olds told us so)

Bill Cypher 2y ago

LOL. 30 seconds reading about Koch's postulates.

1. They cannot be applied to viruses.

2. They require that all of evolution is wrong.

3. They go against the latter discovery of asymptomatic carriers in both bacteria caused infections and viruses. Again, by definition do not apply to viruses anyway.

I wasn't thinking about Covid deniers in my first post anyway. I was thinking about people who think wifi or cell phones make you sick.

Phundamentals 2y ago

Sign me up as someone who has high conviction on non-native EMFs being biologically damaging. I explained some lay-science in an earlier pod episode but really the denial of this assertion isn’t based in science any more than the vax deniers.

This is a long conversation- not gonna be won on Twitter or here. My time preference for it is low for people I know and want to discuss it in good faith.