Applying foliar applications and soil soaks to lawns wouldn't be too outrageous when we look at the cost to brew a batch of Compost tea. It's about 99% water with a few pounds of high quality compost in a straining bag and some innoculats added to the brew.

Compost extract would be there better route for applications especially if you are looking for a more fungal brew to apply.

Benefits of extract over tea: reduced time, energy,increased nutrient density, and the biology retained during an extract is higher.

When brewing a tea, usually it's Aerated for 24-48 hours, by pumping air into the system you are creating a highly aerobic environment and by default volitizing nutrients amd shifting the enviorment.

With an extract you reduce the oxidative aspect and retain more nutrients and biology in your brew and keep it more fungal (if that's what you are looking to achieve)

Where the tea/extract can increase in value is when proper innoculants are introduced into the brew to get the tea/extract where you want to go for applications.

You can look at your compost under a microscope and easily visualize what's going on, is your compost geared more towards bacterial dominant? (Thermophilic) or is it highly fungal (Johnson Su)?

What food sources are you going to add to feed the biology before application? Fish hydrolosate for a fungal food or a simple sugar source to proliferate the bacteria?

Are you planning a soil soak or foliar application? For a soil soak, incorporating water soluble AMF powder would be a good addition to colonize with the rhizosphere. If you are doing a foliar application the AMF wouldn't necessarily be a key beneficial, you would incorporate something more along the lines of EM for the endophytic biology such as saccharomyces cerevisiae or Lactic Acid Bacteria. (Which are easy and cheap to brew).

Carbon credit generation takes some time and/or energy. One would have to create 1T of biochar to get the 1t credit during applications. Seems simple enough, but still takes energy and time.

Another route would be focusing on increasing Soill Organic Matter, season after season through cover cropping and green mulching. By pairing with AMF to increase the carbon sequestered into the soil (increasing root surface area as well for better nutrient retention, water holding capacity and pH buffering).

This has to be tracked through a soil sample where you first get your base level of Soil carbon tested and recorded, then you can record any increases year over year. The healthier and more robust the rhizosphere, the more carbon sequestered and higher credit generation over time.

While a lot of that is way over my head, still enjoyed reading it. Who knew so much science went into soil? Certainly not me, before today!

Wish I could respond with something relevant but just a soil newb here, hearing all of this for the first time.

The idea that there's potentially a superior treatment, that ALSO gets you some free money (carbon credits) seems like a great opportunity around suburban communities with lots of lawns close together, or maybe golf courses, to set up a niche service

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Dont frett, we are all noobs when it comes to soil and the science(s) that are involved. New symbiotic relationships are being discovered basically on the daily. And yes the wormhole goes deeeeeeeep.

I've been studying and testing for the last few years and still have a mountain to learn, but diving into the information day after day helps build up the knowledge repertoire.

If you have questions or want to learn more just send a shout and we can discuss. I have some videos / pictures up if you are interested in seeing some organisms / organic matter that I find during assessments.

Not alot of people in my area are willing to sit down and have a discussion about soil fertility and such. Which is odd, living in a farming community but i digress. The shiny fleet of John Deeres arn't going to pay for themselves though, so they stay on the same track year after year kicking the can down the road not realizing the improvements don't have to be dramatically done overnight but can be incorporated season after season in small (but impactful) increments.

"Wormhole is deep" lol. Think I may prefer that phrase to "rabbit hole!"

Let's see... I don't really have a mind for this field. It's so far removed from anything ive spent time learning about that even the terms don't seem to stick in my mind. And I was never strong in life sciences to begin with.

So, maybe I'd be interested in some sort of primer on general soil terms and concepts.

Ooh also, specific to the original conversation, is the state of the art utilized on fancy lawns today anything like what was being proposed in the podcast, or would that be wild to explain to a landscaper? Sounds like from your comments above, farmers are at least aware there's some advances they could stand to make, but there's inertia/costs. So would guess similar is true at the landscaping level.

Can I get rich by running with this concept and starting a landscaping company that collects sweet sweet carbon credits?! Haha

If you are into landscaping a great addition to learn from fundamental aspects would be permaculture principles. You would learn how to work with nature with the goal of creating a renegerative landscape.

Why regerative?

Once you get the system working for itself, you would reduce the need for synthetic inputs to be integrated into your system reducing costs and improving fertility overtime.

You could start collecting byproducts that otherwise would be discarded. You could utilize the byproducts in your lawncare or landscaping business to further create additional biological products that could be offered.

Some options you could create and offer would be fermented plant brews, mulch, compost, biochar ect for local applications.

(Depending on what part of the cycle you harvest and ferment would determine the nutrients you would unlock for applications. Early Veg growth would result in higher in N, Flower / fruit would lean towards higher levels of P and K + in comparison)

All feeding back into increased biology and fertility of your soil. Even at the bare minimum, organisms themselves are comprised of Carbon and Nitrogen. Increasing biology into your soils would ditectly increase carbon in your soil, increasing your carbon credit allocation overtime.

Would the carbon credits make you rich over night? Not unless you scooped up a piece of property with extremely high soil organic matter. Another route would be incorporating the carbon credit allocation as part of your landscape / permaculture buisness model.

Example:

Customer hires you for a landscape job, plan out what your customer wants. Give the option of carbon credit submission and the key selling point to them would be the additional revenue potential they would get from following the regenerative practice. Even a 75% customer / 25% buisness split for carbon credits would seem appetizing compared to 0%. The worst to happen is neither party gains additional funds, the best is you just gained a 25% split based on payout dates. (Yearly payout most likely.)

Soil Organic matter testing is fundamentally simple in the concept. Take a measured amount of soil, heat it up to a specific temperature for a specific time. Once the Organic matter has burned off, measure the remaining amount of your sample and subtract from the original. The difference between the two indicates the amount of Soil Organic matter that you had. Obviously this test isn't going to certified for your credits, things where you would send sample to a certified lab. Buuuuut, you wpuld get a rough idea of what amount your are working with.

Sounds like my get rich quick scheme may not be realistic, certainly not the quick part 🥲 Mostly joking with that by the way.

Ok, so my main takeaway is to study regenerative farming if I wanna learn more about this world. Is there a best entry point you'd recommend for the casual learner like myself? No chance I'll actually do anything practical anytime soon, I have a small garden of herbs and tomatoes, not vast amounts of land I can set up any sorts of systems on. At least not yet... down the line it does appeal to me (years away).

If I can walk away with some tips and tricks to apply to gardening, and some ideas of what might be interesting to put into practice later when circumstances allow, that'd be a win for me.

Thanks for the surprise nostr convo, nice to meet you

Nice to meet you as well!

Matt Powers has alot of information available for free that you can dive into.

He also offers courses and books, but as an entry point into this realm, easily one I'd recommend. Start there and see where the road takes you.

I've gone through a few courses over the last few years and really got sucked into the microscopy aspect and biofertilizer creation.

While it's not a silver bullet to fix all the problems in the soil, soil microscopy is a powerful tool that helps you visualize soil conditions in real time to help steer you in the right direction on where to go from ground 0.

Every journey starts with a single step, I started with 120 composting worms and since then I have increased my plant health, soil knowledge, and hunger for information.

Similarly I have a very small area that I take care of, but it helps me build my confidence and gives me an opportunity to try things on a small scale and see where it goes.

Soil microscopy, I like the sound of that. Very good, Matt Powers in the learning queue. May be a bit before I get into it, but if/when I do I'll come back and let you know what I think

A few more options if you are into podcasts:

The Regenerative Agriculture Podcast

-John Kempf

The Cannabis Cultivation and Science Podcast

-Tad Hussey

Growing with fishes podcast

- Potent Ponics (Stephen Raisner)

A Regenerative future with Matt Powers

- Matt Powers

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Websites

https://advancingecoag.com/

https://www.thepermaculturestudent.com/

https://greencover.com/

These sites offer a massive amount of information available to keep you busy.

Noted. Yeah podcasts might be cool. I've gotta pace myself, biting off a bit more than I can chew with interests lately.

For today I've got to take care of some sort of fungal gnats appearing on my precious little herb sprouts yesterday. Some sort of tape traps and diatomaceous earth I'm told are the remedies. Off to grab that shortly!

Soil matters with leighton Morrison is pretty good too.

Appreciate it. There's a surprising amount of farm nerds around here, eh? Thought you guys were supposed to be nontechnical simple folk 🤔

This looks great. Are you also into the hardcore soil sciences like my new friend ProgressivelyWorse? Am I gonna end up with a microscope in the near future?!

I don’t go that far. I’m more of tinkerer. I read up and listen to those people but try not to get too caught up in the specifics.

I see. Seems there are many deep wormholes in the area. Still forming a mental picture of what's all out there.

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Nigel is pretty solid, looking to partake in the course he offers next year.