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GM wouldn't that require doing bad things to then remove the 3s? I like thinking about things like this because everything requires a "it depends" answer. Somethings not acceptable in culture A and are bad/evil may not be the same in cultures B,C,D etc. However, in today's world the state has institutionalized it and are controlling it. I like this post thank you.

ᴛʜᴇ ᴅᴇᴀᴛʜ ᴏꜰ ᴍʟᴇᴋᴜ 1y ago

my working theory for a long time now is that the number one and most effective measure against evil people is shunning them, avoiding doing business with them, and not referring other people to them

a potential situation in which good people could dispense with that evil 1/3rd is in a case where if you are not evacuated, you are killed by your stupidity

moral obligations are negative, not positive

you are not obliged to help anyone, but you have a mutual benefit from helping someone who would help you if the roles were reversed

thus, yes, if i was someone who wanted to fix the problem of evil for human society i'd use the opportunity of an unavoidable catastrophe as a time to "reap the harvest" of righteous and leave the evil to burn

that's basically what i think that Revelation and Enoch both outline as a long planned strategy for this (i'm not against the idea that the good can be resurrected also but i have no model for what this looks like or how it can be done)

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The Bird 1y ago

Why are moral obligations negative though? Your moral compass helps guide you in the direction to help someone whether mutually beneficial or not. Sure you may get a quick dopamine hit, but other than that helping people isn't always beneficial to both parties.

One could argue your harvest reaping as evil though. That was my previous point that I probably didn't communicate well, I'm a bit smooth brained. I'm not God so I don't think I could bring myself to do that because of my morality. However, if my family were in trouble then I'm certain I would be truly capable of a scorched earth policy on those who threaten them. This is where the "it depends" comes into play.

I've never read the book of Enoch, but need to. I have always been fascinated with Revelations though.

Thank you for the conversation

ᴛʜᴇ ᴅᴇᴀᴛʜ ᴏꜰ ᴍʟᴇᴋᴜ 1y ago

you are obliged to not harm

you are not obliged to help

i absolutely could leave someone behind if they had repeatedly done me wrong, and this would be the wages of their sins against me, it would not be my judgement no matter how likely their death might be in the absence of my help, that would decide if they die or not

i am not going to be the turtle carrying the scorpion across the flooding river

it is not a quality of goodness to comfort evil, in fact this is the hardest thing for most people to understand, you must choose who you associate with and it is incumbent upon you as an aspiring righteous person to not consort with people who delight in iniquity

sometimes it is said that doing things that don't benefit evil people is doing them evil - it even is written that way sometimes in biblical texts, but it is a nonsense way of describing it... not doing something is not the same as doing something, inaction is a decision, as is action, but inaction to help evil is not evil, it is actually good

idk how many times i see it in many moral fables in novels and movies where a person who would be categorised as a 2, is redeemed by a 1 refusing to help anymore, it's a universal pattern and that's just life

i'm not gonna refuse to help anyone who has not established a reputation for mischief, but after i see it happen several times my interactions with them can only be purely self serving and that includes abandonment, because if they are a 2, that might be the act (or more exactly decision) that helps them change their side

The Bird 1y ago

Fair points. I can agree and appreciate that.