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Libertarians and bitcoiners who preach freedom and peace, but then turn around and promote hateful transphobic or various [insert form of ignorant bigotry] content are seriously missing the fucking point.

We can do better.

Leo Fernevak 1y ago 💬 2

First off, I reject your false projection.

Secondly, hate speech laws are tools designed to help the government jail people based on opinion. Historically they are called blasphemy laws.

That is *not* compatible with liberty ideals. Hate speech laws is a sign that we live in a 1984 society.

What hate speech laws do is to create a broad category of *illegal speech* into which a government can insert anything that runs contrary to its ideological dogma.

If you don't want blasphemy laws then we better abolish blasphemy laws before your opinions are defined as blasphemy by the government.

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boston wine 1y ago

Hate speech laws are an embarrassment at best (and incredibly dangerous, at worst). I agree with you on that entirely.

Exercising one’s freedom of speech to be cruel to an already-marginalized-and-abused group of people is simply a loser move, and a shameful expression of libertarianism. That’s my only point here. We can do better.

TechNomad 1y ago

It's a valid point, people should be good and use their freedom for good.

The divide comes from a variance of ideas about social and moral virtues and harms. You accuse them of being harmful, they accuse you of the same.

What I don't get is why do we all have to live together? I think any group should be allowed to collectivize. If we were smart we would help any self identifying groups to relocate or secede so they can all be together and govern themselves and leave us alone.

I think voluntary separation is the obvious solution to all world conflict. It's just that abusive narcissists won't let it happen.