A list of zap providers that paid relays could whitelist is not difficult.

Having gates on services isn’t a bad thing. I’ve signed up to every paid relay for https://relay.exchange to make sure they all work at least, they’d take this no problem.

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centralized whitelists are typically never difficult. it's the decentralized things that are hard, and we want to be decentralized here.

So imo the goal should be that users can use any zap provider and that zap providers do not have to pay any (potentially expensive) relay out there to work.

Limiting this by design leads to centralization which would defeat the purpose.

Yes, that’s a good perspective. Whitelists would be a weak point.

Is it just Lightning development needed then? It’s key here imo

no, its not lightning only nostr specific.

agree #[8] really nailed this viewpoint

make sense - a lot dummy user cry abt nanny centralized free services getting from twiiter fukkbook toktok etc.. freedom comes at cost - build/pay/select - users here free to choose based on their choice - i will never use damus for example - trying to write to write NIP n BIP to fit certain group of users habit dnot make universal rule - had honest friendunpaid twitter user crying 2FA locked 😪