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Introvert here too 😅 Following these conversations with much interest as I come across them. I don’t mind sending/receiving “reactions” but I am trying the Onlyzaps mode for now because it’s new. Even before this feature I often reply with just 1 or 2 emojis a that express more than a like. We see that all over Nostr with 🫂. That’s even how 🤙 became the default reaction on Damus. It started as a popular reply. The absence of a reaction button doesn’t take away that option, and I’m more likely to look at who replied than who reacted.

On the earlier point by Quentin about it being a red line when my settings affect other user’s experience or ability to interact with me, I see it directly. For instance, if I don’t want to receive zaps and I don’t add a lightning address, then I am deciding for all other users that they won’t see a ⚡️ button at all on my posts or profile, and that they can’t zap me. A zap is a Nostr event just like a reaction. Why is it OK for me to limit everyone’s ability to send me a kind-9735 event if I don’t want to receive it, but not a kind-7 event? Or what if future features allow turning off replies on a post, or limiting them to just followers? Turning off DMs?

In each case these would affect how everyone can interact with me, and I think that is the better way to approach it. It puts me in control of setting the boundaries I want on what other people can send me. Forcing me to accept likes/reactions from anyone and everyone on Nostr, sounds far more intrusive than me having the option to not receive them.

Again, I’m not a “never-liker” 😅 and after this experiment may turn them back on, but I do think the way it’s currently implemented puts the right person in control.

Very good point of view. The analogy with the LN address is a good one, but I don't think it can be compared, if I don't have a LN address it's clear that you won't be able to send me sats. But this is as if (in real life) you directly reject any interaction with someone who has no money or way to talk to you directly. Where will that wink, smile, look be, translated to the virtual environment? The like button can evolve, but I don't see anything clear about removing it.

It gives me the feeling that it is an attempt to promote the zaps, to move money. With my friends I love to apply value for value, I help them with a website, they help me with something else. Putting money in the middle usually spoils everything.

What a great conversation, I love it!

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I don’t think it is removing option from the user to interact. I think it is very one sided view. If someone posts sad news about something, how do you interpret like! It is extremely limited and easy to misunderstand option that was invented for the sake of algorithms. It has no value. Reply with like, plus one, heart, 🤙🏻, whatever. Still better than the meaningless like, IMHO. And yes, that’s the hill I am choosing to die on. 🐶🐾🫡

I’ll push just a little because it doesn’t remove the ability for anyone to talk to me directly. There are comments for that. And regarding the point about adding or not adding the lightning address, I was simply giving that as an example of a setting I can enable now that affects how everyone can interact with me, but nobody has complained about that as infringing on their experience. Some people really do want to send sats, and I’ve seen several times when users ask someone why they don’t have a lightning address.

I am in agreement with you that not every human interaction needs to have a monetary component. The challenge I find with likes is that whatever meaning they have, and I believe they can be meaningful, has been sullied by years of vanity use and spam on other social networks. “Doing it for the likes.” Experimenting with changes to that is worthwhile.

And yes excellent conversation. I’m enjoying hearing various perspectives on this. Now here’s a nickel for your time 😂 💜🫂

The underlying problem is that we start from years of vain shit-influencers, so the trend is to kill the like. But I think that the like is a light and quick way to express a feeling (here there is a debate on the forms, for example habla.news does solve it very well), we are going to fill the conversations of comments with a 🤙, this for me is going backwards.

Your turn 😀

I imagine fewer people would comment than would click “like” but I see what you mean shout it potentially cluttering replies if they did. We’re actually more in agreement on this than not. I believe likes are a useful way of communicating something sometimes. Where I think we disagree is on who should have control. What I hear you saying is that I should not be able to affect your ability to send me a reaction. I disagree with that. I should have that control. And giving you the option to send it while I simply don’t see it negates their use as a communication tool. At that point it is only to make you feel better for having pressed a button.

It's not a question of feeling better, those who don't have this option activated will also see it, it serves to see what you have liked over time (yourself) and in the other hand you are questioning how the current mute option works, it just works the way I would like the (misnamed) onlyzaps to work.

You’re shifting your argument now. Are likes a communication tool to reach me? Or to show others what you have liked?

In between. Just to show support but not jumping up and down about it 😁