I think you make some good points. I have a few comments:

-Bitcoiners are kind of a seed for content here, but I agree with you that it's a lot. That's part of the reason I post random shit about Egypt and other random stuff over the past year and a half. A new social ecosystem requires some diehard people, but also needs certain roots for broader involvement.

-The inability to delete is a feature, not a bug. Once you sign a note, it's out in distributed relays. However, incentive-wise, I think high-accessible perpetual notes will rely on some form of economics or payment. Over the long term of time it will likely be unseen or outright deleted if a small account posts something they don't particularly endorse anymore.

-I think zaps will be an onboarding tool for bitcoin. Existing bitcoiners will be like "yeah I know what those are" but new coiners will be like, "wait what are these?" and it'll be a learning experience. It's a friction point, but potentially a good one. Also, some Lightning/Ecash wallets can be dollar-denominated.

-I think key management is probably the hardest long-term part. Even for power-users let alone newbies. Because with power-users we might understand it better, but also our stakes for fucking it up are higher.

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point two!

yes, that's partly why i wrote a basic access-based garbage collection algorithm for relays so they can run on some fixed sized disk space limit and maintain that, while opportunistically retaining indexes before they take up the free space of the high water mark that triggers throwing out least recently accessed

- and yeah, keys... the concept of controlling your sovereign key secret is gonna take some serious marketing to get people to learn it

it's not hard, the whole crypto scene gets it but we need the normies too, so how do we induct them without financial incentives

ahhh, you see, that's the reason why people learned to use elliptic curve crypto keys in the first place

so there is a common interest between the security model of nostr and the necessity of associating the protocol with secret keys and payments

Great response

Yeah that’s a good response, I saw nostr:npub1sg6plzptd64u62a878hep2kev88swjh3tw00gjsfl8f237lmu63q0uf63m say that Twitter was like this in the early days, but instead of crypto/bitcoin it was tech reporters in SF (IIRC).

Yeah, maybe there’s a way to set in stone that after a certain amount of time a post can be deleted? That’s built into mastodon, and I bet that could be a part of the protocol here… in that (for example), “Delete this note after 1 month”, then the relays know after that amount of time they should hide it.

I guess it’s a learning experience, but I mean people over on Mastodon & Bluesky are finding onboarding hard (which is why they’re finding it hard to get new users) just because it’s different, and they don’t have all these separate things like different wallets, etc.. I just think it’s gonna be pretty hard for the general public to move here and not fee overwhelmed, I don’t think you should have to go on YouTube to watch a tutorial on how to use this (imo). But I also think a GOOD client with a very good onboarding process could sort this out a bit..

Yeah it for sure is, I just keep my private key in a password manager 👍