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Yo, suddenly my trust score had a little boost. Check your scores for nostr:nprofile1qyw8wumn8ghj7mn0wd68ytfsxgh8jcttd95x7mnwv5hxxmmdqyvhwumn8ghj7mn0wd68ycmgv43kktndv5hhyetvv9usqgrvy7j65q4hd8rt287hahvqckephxar9stdjyajhj8pv9lmg4eksqfh8mhq tasks, still not clear how it is measured, but let's hope it does get explained soon.

Pip the WoT guy 1mo ago

So, Vertex uses pagerank which is a probability, which implies it's a number between 0 and 1. Pagerank is distributed as a power law, which means that between an average pagerank and a high pagerank there are 4 or more order of magnitude difference.

Jack dorsey has 1000-10000x the pagerank of a normal person. Power laws are hard to comprehend for the human mind, which is why Profilestr tried different formulas to normalize this score to be between 0 to 100, in ways that make sense.

These formulas were not great, so I suggested they use something like this. It's poorly written but I don't have much time to work out the details.

https://gist.github.com/pippellia-btc/8642a25fcf535edcda1ddecd0bcd5f7b

TLDR; Vertex didn't change anything, the ranks are computed as before, they are simply presented differently to the end users.

This whole conversation is making me more adamant in my belief that ranks should not be displayed to end users.

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Ale 1mo ago

It's hard to understand indeed. People were asking this because Trust Score some weeks ago was high for almost all users and suddenly it dropped hard, I even read that some people had 0, which raised alarms and people wanted an explanation. I didn't understand the maths, but I appreciate the transparency in this matter.

Sebastix 1mo ago

These kinds of scores create wrong incentives, it reminds me of how it was done with a service called Klout in the early web 2.0 days. People will do strange things to get better scores, but it’s pointless as every score should be contextual. It should be clear that these scores have nothing to do with reach either (as many assume it is).

Sebastix 1mo ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klout

halalmoney 1mo ago

http://nymrank.dev/

Pip the WoT guy 1mo ago

I couldn't reserve a name because there was no button to do so

halalmoney 1mo ago

I searched against pippellia and that name is already 'occupied' i.e. connected with your npub.

Pip the WoT guy 1mo ago

yeah but I want to reserve pip but couldn't figure it out

Justin (shocknet) 0mo ago

No need to reserve, just set your metadata... Added a faq to explain https://nymrank.dev/faq

Pip the WoT guy 0mo ago

I read it and I am more confused.

My name, display name and nip05 all start with "pip", so I should reach 2 points. My WoT is definitely higher then the other Pip, yet he has the name

Justin (shocknet) 0mo ago

your kind 0 metadata shows as this, and I just re-ran it against your listed relays

"profile": {

"name": "pippellia",

"nip05": null,

"lud16": "whitebat1",

partial match only applies to the name field, and demarcated by spaces... we wouldn't want "pip" to also occupy "pi" for example... but would want someones first name to hit if they used name as First Last

Partial matches do not count in the lud16/nip05's prefixes since those wouldn't have spaces... but neither your nip05 or lud16 are populated with "pip"

Since your name field is "pippellia" that's what you occupy

Pip the WoT guy 0mo ago

I had an issue with my profile being nuked. I've now restored it.

I had pip@vertexlab.io and Pip in the displayName. Do you use the displayName or just the name?

Pip the WoT guy 0mo ago

anyway, I've now updated my profile. How long before it shows up?

Justin (shocknet) 0mo ago

it just uses the `name`

I see the new metadata, you're now the proud occupant "pip" 🎉

Pip the WoT guy 0mo ago

yeee

ᴛʜᴇ ᴅᴇᴀᴛʜ ᴏꜰ ᴍʟᴇᴋᴜ 0mo ago

https://relay.orly.dev/ check out the "recovery" tab. ORLY does not delete replaceable or addressable events, and that UI lets you reinstate old versions if this happens.

Pip the WoT guy 0mo ago

this is a great feature.

ᴛʜᴇ ᴅᴇᴀᴛʜ ᴏꜰ ᴍʟᴇᴋᴜ 0mo ago

it's even mentioned in NIP-01 but nobody seems to consider it a mandatory feature for NIP-01 compliance. IMO, it SHOULD be an OPTIONAL one and there should be a feature flag to signal it.

Pip the WoT guy 0mo ago

I agree it should be optional, but I don't like the flag thing because I might want to offer a paid service (like primal), so I store older versions only for my paying customers.

So a flag per relay doesn't make sense in this and many other case.

It should just be optional.

ᴛʜᴇ ᴅᴇᴀᴛʜ ᴏꜰ ᴍʟᴇᴋᴜ 0mo ago

i think rugging users profile events should not be a chargeable offense.

ᴛʜᴇ ᴅᴇᴀᴛʜ ᴏꜰ ᴍʟᴇᴋᴜ 0mo ago

er, what i mean is, i don't think it should be optional. can we trust nostr clients more now than before everyone started vibe coding? no, it should be MUST not SHOULD. or you are not NIP-01 compliant and that should be avoided.

ᴛʜᴇ ᴅᴇᴀᴛʜ ᴏꜰ ᴍʟᴇᴋᴜ 0mo ago

in fact, to spite these people not providing this, i could make a little app that lets you log in and it tells you which of your relays are clown operated garbage.

ᴛʜᴇ ᴅᴇᴀᴛʜ ᴏꜰ ᴍʟᴇᴋᴜ 0mo ago

what i think should be optional, is how many are kept. for most users 10 would be plenty to back them right up.

Hereu 1mo ago

Scam jaja

Teeesjd 1mo ago

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