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This is not so aligned with the fact that in Amethyst NIP-17 is still opt-in, and it's also hidden behind an obscure little icon. Right? :)

You should make it the default, remove NIP-04 sending, but of course keep the receiving part to preserve the old conversations intact.

Then, if no kind 10050 can be found for the recipient, maybe you can let the user send a single default message, as NIP-04, with a link to a tutorial when he can learn how to upgrade to NIP-17.

This would be a sensate way to deprecate NIP-04 and promote NIP-17, given also the large audience that Amethyst has.

Vitor Pamplona 7mo ago

No, we have been default NIP-17 since last year. But it checks if the receiver has NIP-17 relays. Otherwise, it still reverts back to NIP-04.

Now most people already have NIP-17 relays. So, things are much better.

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daniele 7mo ago

Oh, this is better, for sure.

I tried to open your DM view and NIP-17 wasn't enabled, now entering again the icon is actived, probably a lag that confused me.

However, why not make it the default and then manage the fallback? And why let the user deactivate it reverting to NIP-04?

I would start to force the transition, as suggested.

Vitor Pamplona 7mo ago

It will always check first if the receiver you are trying to talk to has a DM Relay list, which sometimes takes a while to find, dending on the outbox relays of the user.

We allowed people to revert mostly because Damus and Primal have not migrated yet. So, they at least had an option to reach out to them.

Niel Liesmons 7mo ago

Waiting for the "big boys" only makes them bigger and the UX of the waiting apps worse.

Vitor Pamplona 7mo ago

Actually, I was waiting for the small guys to take over the basic chat function from the big boys, but they never did. So... I guess forcing it is

Niel Liesmons 7mo ago

Taking over = Building a better daily driver. Not just Nip-17.

Peeps don't go to other apps for basic functions.

They go to other apps to create, display or find the niche, funky, advanced content types their daily driver(s) don't handle.

Chat is not one of those content types.

It's the n°1 daily use content type.

Niel Liesmons 7mo ago

Still makes me lol, that it's the farmer that only really codes since half a year that is taking this challenge head on.

Slow and steady 🐢, better daily driver here we come!

Vitor Pamplona 7mo ago

I think people are overcomplicating chats by a lot.

2 Billion people use WhatsApp for the chat function alone. No other function is needed. They don't even have a notifications tab. No zaps. Reactions barely work and most people don't even know its there.

It's not about the amount of features. It's about a very usable core feature set.

Niel Liesmons 7mo ago

Copy that core feature set and see who switches for that. Crickets.

WhatsApp has network + the core feature set they have is underestimated AF by devs here.

The image handling alone :eyes:

Niel Liesmons 7mo ago

Too bad we can't do the opposite and "delete our Nip-04 relays" to signal that we don't look for that stuff, haha 😉