And ancient Israel and Judah do not count because that civilization was built by the Lord. The Israelite and Jews still ruined even that. :jahy_sip:

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FOR A LONG WHILE GOD'S LINE WAS THAT THEY DONT SETTLE DOWN AND START A CIVILIZATION AND REMAIN NOMADIC PASTORAL SHEPHERDS, AND THE CIVILIZATION THAT DID END UP TAKING ROOT HAS MORE TO DO WITH THE SURROUNDING CANAANITE CIVILIZATION AND THE SIX HUNDRED POUND GORILLA IN THE ROOM THAT IS THE PHOENICIAN CITYSTATES