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so long as the prisoner must do all the labors to keep themselves and only get the space to do it in, i approve also.

killing in self defense is the only case where it is righteous. shooting a fleeing sniper, for example, would be legitimate, because if he gets away he can do it again with little impediment, and no recourse for the next victim either.

but if you have them cornered or cuffed there's no reason to kill. but they neither should be allowed to interact with civil society, and if they are violent while locked up as well, same thing applies, since their violence would impact the right of life of their fellow inmates.

The ten commandments come from the Old Testament, where the original commandment was do not murder (unlawfully kill). This is very clear because:

a) the Hebrew word for murder is distinct from the word for kill

b) Leviticus, also from the Old Testament commands you to put certain people to death

c) A Rabbinical court determined Jesus was worthy of death, a sentence that wouldn't exist to them if that commandment had the meaning the Catholic Church now implies

No matter how harsh a custodial sentence may be imposed, future legislators, judges and parole boards may (and very often do) commute those sentences in the future.

Christ fulfilled the Law, and He told us to love our enemies, and to do to our neighbor, what we would want done to us.

Criminals are also our neighbors.

https://www.vatican.va/archive/hist_councils/ii_vatican_council/documents/vat-ii_const_19651207_gaudium-et-spes_en.html

Criminals are absolutely not your neighbors. You're told to love your enemies, distinct from your neighbors in the verse you're referencing.

You're basically doing the leftist meme

Laeserin 🇻🇦 3mo ago 💬 2

Your neighbor is any particular person you encounter, including your enemies and criminals.

> 27. Coming down to practical and particularly urgent consequences, this council lays stress on reverence for man; everyone must consider his every neighbor without exception as another self, taking into account first of all His life and the means necessary to living it with dignity, so as not to imitate the rich man who had no concern for the poor man Lazarus.

> In our times a special obligation binds us to make ourselves the neighbor of every person without exception and of actively helping him when he comes across our path, whether he be an old person abandoned by all, a foreign laborer unjustly looked down upon, a refugee, a child born of an unlawful union and wrongly suffering for a sin he did not commit, or a hungry person who disturbs our conscience by recalling the voice of the Lord, "As long as you did it for one of these the least of my brethren, you did it for me" (Matt. 25:40)

> [...] The teaching of Christ even requires that we forgive injuries,and extends the law of love to include every enemy, according to the command of the New Law: "You have heard that it was said: Thou shalt love thy neighbor and hate thy enemy. But I say to you: love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who persecute and calumniate you" (Matt. 5:43-44).

when people speak evil, speak about how they are speaking evil

when people do evil acts, you must act to prevent them doing it again

turn the other cheek doesn't mean go out and get yourself repeatedly fucked over by an evil person. it means show the rest of the people around you what happened as soon as possible.

evil people do not stop doing evil until they are forced to stop.

this is still love. vengeful, disproportionate responses are not effective or an example to follow. if that means shooting as they run off to go commit another evil deed another day, that is still loving your enemy.

He is saying that we should shoot them, even if they are arrested and confined.

For our own satisfaction.

ᴛʜᴇ ᴅᴇᴀᴛʜ ᴏꜰ ᴍʟᴇᴋᴜ 3mo ago 💬 3

yeah, that's not ok

shooting is only when they resist being arrested. they have the choice to stop running away. but once they are confined what's the point in killing them?

this problem that america had in the last 30 years with so many prisoners was caused by an unjust monopoly of licensure on drug production and sales. yet at the same time, giving license holding drug companies the freedom to bombard people to persuade them to seek drugs 🤬 pure hypocrisy, and why there was so many prisoners.

and it had a subsequent effect of putting people who just wanted to use or sell drugs but never engaged in violent behaviour into contact with those who were in prison for violent behaviour, which is known to lead to the more susceptible individuals to become inured to violence, get out, and actually become violent people.

they literally were enforcing these laws to bring slave labor to private jail companies.

so, to be clear, violence is violence. there is nothing violent about engaging in trade of goods produced by or acquired by just means. there would be a lot less incentive to produce, sell and use many drugs without these artificial incentives.

and people who are mentally unstable, have a primary problem before the drugs come into the picture, and make it worse, it doesn't help them either to persecute them based on this. again, putting them into jail for simply making personal choices exposes the risk of them becoming radicalized to criminality by those who already are.

anyway, i went off on that tangent to talk about the cost of keeping these people locked up.

don't lock people up for competing with a monopoly. there shouldn't even be a monopoly. because putting black marketeers into prison with violent criminals just provides violent criminals with people who can bring money in to make even more violence.

I'm not talking about shooting anyone. I'm talking about executing convicted criminals who've committed heinous offences.

yeah, nah. you just lock them up permanently, with no right to parole ever, no exceptions. period. spend the least amount of resources feeding and providing them the ability to stay clean and minimal medical assistance while restrained to treat only life threatening conditions. best to not let them commit suicide either. and soundproof their cell so they can't talk to anyone either, without full surveillance and guard.

IMO, permanent solitary confinement should be what rapists, murderers and sundry types of brutality should win them, on the second round, after they do the standard 25 years 12 years parole with good behaviour.

second time they are confirmed to not be human after being locked up and given time to ponder their situation. no need to kill them though. vengeance does not bring back their victims, and the satisfaction is empty.

it's enough to just exclude them permanently from society.

oh and in case of apocalypse, they can starve to death.

Extensive solitary confinement drives people insane, tho. If they're completely out of control, then they probably need to be in the mental ward, really.

Obviously, you're right that we shouldn't endanger the other prisoners.

there's not a lot of difference between the mental institution and solitary. more doctors around, that's about it. and yeah, it should be considered to be a psychiatric disturbance, because it is. one time, with extenuating circumstances, can just be a breakdown of their reason. two times is absolutely this guy's brain is wrong.

As far as I know, the death penalty is actually more expensive than life in prison. Sometimes by multiple millions of dollars.

Some States have ended it to save money and staff, in fact.

it really isn't that expensive to keep someone fed and clothed for 30-50 years

it's not like they should have any comforts. give them a bible if they ask for it. not even a TV. let them have friends or relatives give them books if they have any people who care about them. let them talk to a priest if they want to.

Agree about the drugs and other nonviolent offenses. Especially, as we now have more effective at-home confinement and electronic monitoring and stuff.

yeah, even if you don't reform the prohibition laws that would be a lot better. ankle bracelet and surveillance of their home, and decent food delivered along with necessary groceries and sometimes clothing.

the point that a lot of drug people are violent criminals is a point, that would be way better to keep them away from these kinds. especially for opiates and stimulants.