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So are there any theories about what may happen when the last fraction of bitcoin is mined?

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So because Bitcoin solves the Byzantine general problem of double spending, in short, is it safe to say hard forking is comparable to what the Byzantine general did by making more coins by diluting the existing coins?

Is my thinking correct on this?

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Diluting their holdings. Yes and No. They have a wallet with the current rules as would everyone. It has addresses with balances. New rules are applied by any miner as a hard fork. He has created a new chain with a new wallet. The wallet he has on the old chain still has exactly the same amount of coins under the old rules. He now also has that exact same amount of coins under the new rules in a new wallet. Effectively doubling the total number of coins. Theoretically, the value per coin is split in half but the volume is doubled. Time and the market will decide if his total holdings on two chains are worth more or less than the original value on the original chain would have been. Note I called them old chain and new chain. The market will also decide which one is 'real' Bitcoin, not simply the longest chain.

Yes my opinion is the longest chain should be called BTC and Bitcoin. In the fork, my number of coins double as well. I would probably pretty quickly sell my coins on the new chain and by more coins on the old chain. This mass action is what will make the longest chain, show where the value is considered to be and determine who is best and is BTC.

A new chain with more coins would dilute that value, on that chain, as your percentage of the whole would be smaller. Lets say they doubled the 21mil market cap to 42mil while the price was at $10 but, people loved the new chain and it's price quickly went to $20. I have that smaller percentage but my $ valuation remains the same, plus I still have my coins on the old chain. The old chains coin value should go down in this scenario but the over all market could expand with new money and keep them both up in price. Not likely but possible.

The miners biggest disincentive is the wasted electricity and downtime on what is historically a loosing proposition. BCH did okay for a while but look at BSV and others. They quickly lost a lot of hash power and turned out to be a pretty big waste of miners efforts (money)... but some do still mine them.

Further if there is a hard fork. My node does not just look for the longest chain. It looks for the longest chain that complies with the rules of my node. The new chain's blocks simply would not be validated by my node as it didn't follow my (the old) rules. I either update my node to the new rules or I stay on the old chain no matter how long the respective chains are. I could also fire up a second node for the new chain and have both two wallets and two nodes while the market decides the winner.

Lastly, a 51% attack can do a host of bad things and cause a lot of major problems. One thing it can't do is change the core set of rules simply because they have the majority of hash and thus require new rules like some kind of hostile takeover. That would require a hard fork whether 51% went with the new chain or not.

My confidence on this reply is fairly high but I could have some details wrong. Also, sorry so long.

Awesome! Thanks so much for the detailed response. I should’ve clarified, I’m trying to get an answer for my FIL as he says and seems to think more will be created. I told him it’s highly unlikely but it’s possible. So I’m just looking for the easiest to understand explanation and quickest way to do it. He’s pretty skeptical about it, but I’m going to keep trying anyway.

So just to clarify, is a hard fork (changing the rules) different than a 51% attack?

They really have to want to understand it, if they don’t, they probably never will.

Some people are just so far gone and have their faith locked in with the legacy system…they’ll likely never understand.

It can be exhausting forsure, but never give up and keep on trying, even past the point where they’ll start to think your crazy and it’s all you ever talk about.

They say for advertising a business, it takes people about 15x to see or hear about it before they even remotely begin to understand or even buy your service/products.

The truth hurts, it can be very hard to stomach and most simply can’t handle it.

Some days I have to quit searching myself, it’s tough sometimes realizing how much of a lie we’ve been living for so long.

Don’t worry, we both are 😂

I’ve tried to OP many, but nobody wants to listen.

Oh ya, she’s starting to understand it.

I have to work on the FIL, he’ll be a tough nut to crack.

2140,

the last fraction of Bitcoin is mined. Let’s say another million gets released-(Satoshi’s stack) wondering if thats possibly how it goes and that carry's Bitcoin on for 100's of years to come?

Is that why the million just sits there untouched?

When you read the code, what happens when the final bitcoin is mined in approximately 120 years from now?

Also, if anyone can explain very briefly on how you could possibly increase the supply of bitcoin. If I remember correctly, you need a certain percentage of network users to agree to change the code in order to change the supply?

Side note, I got my mother in-law to buy $2k worth of bitcoin today.

I said to her, why not buy like $500 and just watch it, see what it does?

Right away, she said might as well make it worth it, let’s do $2k.

It’s extremely hard getting the older generation to buy bitcoin, they’re very skeptical about it, but I’m glad she finally agreed to buying some. I’ve been working on her for a bit now.

I’ll be HODL’n it for her as she is far from being tech savvy lol.

What a great day!

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I’ve got cucumbers and watermelon in my way right now, but it’s incredible watching it all twist and crawl it’s way up the trellis and through the cedar rails!

They’ve been screwing us for far too long. Tables are turning.

Only we’re doing it honestly!