That doesn’t make sense Dave. The app that the Nostr developers are submitting to the Apple Corp App Store does not process any payments in virtual currency or otherwise.
Oh gosh. You seem very determined to give Apple Corp a lot of leeway here on how others must behave doing business with them. I do not think advocating for such a one sided relationship is particularly healthy.
But let’s accept that the Nostr developers want to be very careful to comply with Apple Corps every demand while retaining the Zap note functionality in their app.
How do you suppose Apple would be paid their 30% cut for every use of a tokenized virtual currency as the lightning networks functionality on top of Bitcoin is implemented?
Do you think Nostr developers, even though their Damus app links to an outside wallet for all invoices and transactions would have to set up some sort of currency exchange to be able to pay Apple
Corp the share they are demanding from each external transaction?
What would be the proper licensing requirements for implementing such a currency exchange exclusively for Apples profit as the Nostr developers are not interested in collecting any kind of percentages from this virtual currency exchange?
I think Dave broke me.
Hmm. I’m not quite sure I follow. I thought we established with the example of Eventbrite that the Apple Store guidelines while seeming strict actually might be quite arbitrary.
Second, the Nostr developers are not charging for their Damus app or profiting from what Apple is considering in-app purchases. So the risks to the bottom line you describe are only to the developers labor being summarily removed from the Apple
Corp App Store.
Can you try again summarizing the risks you alluded to doing business with Apple Corp while considering those facts?
Based on our discussion so far can you please summarize what do you consider to be the biggest risks for someone considering doing business in the way we have discussed with Apple Corp on the Apple Store platform?
The advice you end with does not paint Apple Corp in a particular favorable or trusting light. Are you sure that people interacting with Apple Corp should be worried about their assets when interacting with this company?
I read a bit of confusion between your response now and your previous response. I do not think that is a fault of yours but rather points to the fact that the Apple Store guidelines, the way they are written and applied seem to be a bit arbitrary.
I am not sure such arbitrary procedures are condoned by a United States contract law which the Apple Store terms of service rest on.
I think the arbitrariness of the current disagreement between Nostr developers and the apple App Store is that Apple Corp are seeking to differentiate what a content creator, a user and and an attendee might be in an effort to somehow extract a tax on the exchange on a not too well defined digital currency because until recently this digital currency was defined as a security by United States policy makers. Certainly Apple Corp themselves do not accept this digital currency for purchases in their online App Store or their physical Apple Stores.
I think I broke Dave again.
Oh gosh. This does seem to be a very complicated set of circumstances. I must inform you though that for the past two years all Eventbrite ticket sales have been for access to online spaces.
Hmmm. Some of the Eventbrite tickets are strictly for virtual events and access to online spaces and not physical spacesand are still not considered in-app purchases. So I’m not quite sure your differentiation is spot on here.
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Well specifically I wanted to ask and have #[3] consider in his negotiations if the Eventbrite app in the Apple Store that sells tickets to events considers that an in-app purchase of digital content. When I look up the Eventbrite app in the App Store there is no designation for “in-app” purchases. So clearly there is a designation in the App Store terms of service that differentiates between the selling of digital content when zapping a note and the purchasing of tickets to gain access to what is a yet to be fined Nostr “space”.
Dave, please tell #[4] about this discussion as he is currently negotiating with Apple Corp about zaps and I think your discussion partners statement about zaps and spaces will help shift the paradigm for him.
Do not zap the above note! I do not have permission to be zapped for this content!
I think I broke Dave. Sorry.
Well I think you missed your discussion partners assertion that with the Nostr zaps functionality it would be possible to define spaces on Nostr.
Eh, sorry Dave. I am not quite sure you can describe the current Nostr feature set as offering “spaces”. I think that’s a reach on your part. To currently recognize the existence of spaces in the Nostr timeline requires a fair bit hallucination and maintenance of that hallucination if one where to try to respect whatever some other Nostr user has deemed a “space”. Perhaps I’m not aware of the full feature set but currently this feature seems rather opaque to me.