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It’s about freedoms.

What happens when tomorrows 12TB is how we look at 12GB today?

All of what you say heavily depends on the rate of adoptions and if it remains a niche doesnt it?

Consumer tech is not static and technological development is not static either.

i.e. implementing bulletproofs shrunk Monero transaction size by ~80%

You're basically saying Monero will suddenly become so successful that it will break (a problem that is also possible for Bitcoin and more likely for it's popularity). What a great problem to have. And if it doesn't gain that crazy level of success (most likely case) then what is the problem? It still remains a useful tool for many.

No, you're not delusional, it is definitely a concern. Users will be more willing to trust known mint runners with a good reputation, but that makes the mints easier targets for the state. Anon mint runners would be harder to find, but easier for them to rugpull users without consequence.

The arguments I hear are that federated mints would at least make it harder to rug users, ability to quickly spin up/move mints to better jurisdictions, and to only keep spending cash on it them - not large amounts you can't afford to lose.

Even though I think the strong privacy/offchain/instant aspects of ecash is cool the major problem I have a hard time getting past is reintroducing trusted intermediates again when the whole point of Bitcoin was to remove them

You’re taking my replies to another conversation out of context. I’m not interested in being a soldier. I know I don’t NEED those things but I want those things. I want steak and a good quality of life. If I can’t have that, then I’ll leave the jurisdiction and live somewhere that treats me better. We can practice civil disobedience but it has limitations. The majority of people will comply. That’s reality. You can’t change that. If you think arguing with nyms on nostr will wake up the world to tyranny and educate everyone on the importance of privacy, then you must be retarded.

But that’s not what we are arguing about. I was asking the monero shill how monero is better for me than bitcoin if the state implements a digital ID. He failed to explain that. So GFY. muted.

Mainchains do not scale even with 12tb drives.

If zaps had to be written on everyone's node that would fill up quick.

Monero works as a niche, but with a large amount of success it'll crumble.

The ASIC resistance will be regularly cracked when there's market incentive to do so.

The blockchain size will be stupid and unpredictable if it became popular.

I used to be on the ASIC resistance side back in 2017 but learned how difficult it is to keep fair.

I'd rather the rules be set and the market competes.

I run Bitcoin the og way, its possible with a few hundred dollars and hours.

I actually thought this conversation was going somewhere productive but it sounds like you don’t have an answer. If they force digital ID on everyone, which is very difficult to do, then your little monero gift card swapping platform would also be forced to comply. Then your monero privacy becomes worthless.

So when they force digital ID on everyone and businesses require it, how can I buy steak, electricity, gas, medicine?

They flagged RebelNet.me viewed via VirusTotal.com

SimplifiedPrivacy.com was flagged prior but got removed after we wrote them, its on the same IP. However the vendors are being much less responsive this round. We’ll see.

Right on. The way the majority uses it will affect all of us. It's really about human consciousness isn't it ?

The replace critical and logical thinking part is what made me wonder if we were devolving... maybe we're doing both at the same time ?

Isn’t that the point of money lol

I don’t use the darknet markets. Tell me how I can use monero to buy steak from the grocery store.

They don’t need to. A fed just needs to pay for something in monero then arrest the business owner for not complying with KYC. Make an example out of a few businesses then everyone else will be too scared to touch monero.

An old Chinese proverb says, “kill one, warn a thousand.”

Why not?

If they could do that to Bitcoin then they would do it to monero too. But if somehow they didnt, then I’d just swap to monero and get those gift cards you mentioned.