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Replying to Avatar Seth For Privacy

A post on Wasabi Wallet and their new protocol, WabiSabi after more digging/research:

First off, please do not connect my joining their Space last week or researching their protocol as lending *any* credence or support for their approach or wallet. I still do not recommend using it in any way.

Digging into WabiSabi has revealed some core issues that should prevent you from considering using it. Note this list is not in any particular order.

1) Wasabi's funding and willing usage of chain surveillance companies puts your on-chain data at risk when you use them.

This usage of CA could not only lead to harming your privacy directly, but could also easily be turned into a honeypot where "bad inputs" automatically get sent to mix with only Sybil inputs, providing 0 privacy but not showing that in your client.

Easy surveillance.

2) WabiSabi as a protocol is only a tool for aggregating inputs where each input/output is blinded from the coordinator, and is not in any way a Coinjoin protocol - it is merely the input aggregation portion of one.

As such, the specifics of the WW2 protocol are unclear.

3) There is currently *zero* way to verify the privacy provided by a given mixing round in WW2, and even Wasabi themselves don't seem to understand how their "anon score" metric works.

If you can't verify the privacy you get, you *should not trust it*.

4) "Lonely whales" (i.e. those with larger amounts of Bitcoin) can often gain *zero* privacy in mixes and have 100% deterministic links between their inputs and outputs.

Have seen as little as 6 BTC gaining no privacy from mixing rounds.

5) Due to the client + coordinator not learning amounts chosen by participants in rounds before mixing, you can never be sure that a mixing round provides you with any privacy, as it's always possible no one selects the same amounts as you, providing an anon set of 1 (your input/output).

6) The usage of "big TX = good privacy" in Wasabi marketing is BS, as the only thing that matters for privacy in a transaction is the potential outputs to match your inputs.

That is really only the outputs that share a denomination with your output, not all outputs in a TX.

7) If the creators of this purported privacy tool don't know how to measure the privacy provided by their protocol, it should raise red flags for you.

Not knowing how your own protocol actually provides privacy opens up so many potential implementation flaws.

8) There is a *long* history of tracing of Wasabi's previous implementation due to flaws in protocol and flaws in implementation, so we should be incredibly wary of trusting privacy claims until 100% proven over time.

9) There remain *zero* post-mix spending tools in Wasabi, something that is absolutely vital to actually gaining privacy from Coinjoin's when spending Bitcoin. Even if the protocol was perfect this would lead to many privacy issues and "foot guns".

This post comes after spending many hours digging into the WabiSabi protocol, their documentation, and speaking with them at length.

I have no personal beef with Wasabi but try to remain open to learning from new approaches and wanted to give WabiSabi a fair shake.

As a note to Thibaud and others I spoke with on the Space last week, that was not merely recon or similar, I genuinely wanted to learn and thought that would be a good place.

Unfortunately I didn't really get much mic time or many questions answered and it felt like marketing.

I don't write this thread to incite more hateful rhetoric between "camps," but because I care about *your* privacy above all and do not want to accidentally push people to use a tool I don't deem sufficient for privacy in Bitcoin.

Just as I love and recommend Monero widely while working on Bitcoin, I love and recommend Samourai Wallet as a proven tool for privacy that I have used successfully over the years and seen proven time and again to work and provide solid privacy on-chain.

If I saw Wasabi Wallet as a workable and useful privacy tool today without core issues I wouldn't hesitate to recommend it, as I'm not an anything maximalist or tied to any camps.

But that is not the case today, and I can't recommend anyone use Wasabi Wallet (still).

I'm sure this will piss a lot of people off (I seem good at that recently 🙃) I want to always be sure that people know where I stand in relation to privacy tools, and that stance hasn't changed despite spending a good amount of time digging into Wasabi.

tl;dr: Keep using Samourai Wallet or Sparrow Wallet for Bitcoin privacy, the holistic toolkit they've built is beyond compare and has a proven track record of efficacy.

Would really like to see some sort of real world test/competition set up for these kind of tools e.g. Where they're used and people try and work out where the funds ended up which will be revealed at some point in the future. Don know if that's possible other than when used in the wild? Nevertheless wasabi was out for me after starting using CA, and I'm not sure about samurai unless you know for sure that everyone is using dojo.

Replying to Avatar Lyn Alden

Too many people have given Elon a pass. Don't give him a pass.

He's a marketer, not a founder or an engineer. He didn't found PayPal or Tesla; he bought into them early. He's good at selling narratives and equity valuation for perpetually unprofitable companies.

Everything for him is a narrative. His green revolution was a narrative to sell more cars and get more subsidies. His bitcoin purchase was to gain appeal among bitcoin/crypto people in a bull market. And he shilled doge like a dumbass. His SpaceX narrative is to get money from the government.

His rooftop solar thing was an outright scam; the technology isn't ready and went nowhere because of that. His full-self-driving-in-an-intermediate-term timeline was a scam, and is going nowhere because of that. He makes scams to draw people and capital in, because for him it's all about narratives and equity valuation.

And then he dug unproductive holes, suggested unproductive hyper-tubes, built meme flamethrowers, for what? It's a narrative, not a business. None of this is real productive shit to make peoples' lives better.

His latest "we need free speech" narrative was a scam too. He tapped into something real, which is what marketers do and why it kind of worked. Yes, we need free speech. Yes, Twitter had censorship issues. He saw that and jumped on it maliciously rather than productively.

But what did he replace it with? He replaced it with arbitrary journalist censorship about his private jet, arbitrary censorship of Substack, selective Twitter Files release, won't talk seriously about any of his China connections because Xi Jinping fucking owns him economically there like Jack Ma, has his balls firmly in his grasp, etc.

Elon's playing the narrative, the anti-woke meme of the day. He's a master meme-momentum-player. Don't fall for it.

Never liked him since he called that guy a peado for no reason. His ownership of twitter just showing his true colours IMO. Just another rich arsehole showing how many sycophants are out there willing to excuse anything. Arseholes can still get things done sometimes though so not necessarily all bad.

Just ordered one of these: Intel NUC12WSKi7 Wallstreet Canyon Slim NUC to try out as bitcoin/lightning node.

Is there a way of importing an existing nsec into nostros?

Dead to me. Only check nitter to see Arthur van pelts updates on the CSW bullshit. Hopefully he'll start posting here too soon.