I didn't say we should stop people from doing something. I outlined why particular kinds of replies cause discomfort strong enough for people to be vocal and to even leave nostr, and how these interactions are different online vs offline. We can argue about semantics of ON or ABOUT all day, the discomfort doesn't go away from that.

Mute is a simple first tool we've built (another one is reports), and even that one isn't utilized to it's full potential by any app. Declaring it the only option (especially as implemented now) is assuming nothing can be improved. The problem won't go away by itself. People will seek solutions. Some of implemented solutions might cause you discomfort, just like their absence causes discomfort for someone else now. Deal with it.

I don't think it's just about young authoritarians.

On the web, the major way to get new content is to search for it or click through to it, which means you are unlikely to see unwanted stuff.

With social media, centralized or not, anyone can push content upon you. That's the point of social media. But the result is unwanted content on your screen.

Lots of good nuance in here. It’s more complicated than it sounds. nostr:note1vkmkrux6xz9x72h4dftt7px2x4zzs0tum4cu3n5zdk2n3jrh5udqgkf2eh

True but irrelevant here

You make good points. When I was thinking of "block" I was only thinking of not letting them see your stuff. I was not thinking about people wanting to control who can reply and in particular what their friends see underneath their post (which some people worry reflects on them). But that is a hard problem in a decentralized space, and muting can actually solve it if (as you suggest) people can see who other people mute and clients make this known, and people can borrow mutes from other people too.

I don't think it's just about young authoritarians.

On the web, the major way to get new content is to search for it or click through to it, which means you are unlikely to see unwanted stuff.

With social media, centralized or not, anyone can push content upon you. That's the point of social media. But the result is unwanted content on your screen.

I outlined the insufficiency of mute, and also public keys are infinite so mute is kind of not a panacea too.

Block may mean many things.

If block is "blocked people can't see your content" then sure it's just not possible on a public internet.

If block is "blocked people can't comment on your content" (which was mentioned in your quote) then it's not that simple. Website do have various forms of blocking (for comments, posting etc). Of course that doesn't "block" someone from commenting elsewhere and linking to your post, but that's a different thing.

It's almost like people feel "ownership" of their posts, and when someone replies, they almost feel like people have posted "on their space". So even muting doesn't feel like enough, they want no one to see bad stuff "on their space" (in replies). They feel as if they were talking in a some cosy space and then someone intruded with their bad stuff. You'd be upset IRL if someone interrupted your conversation with some BS, even if your conversation was happening "on a town square". IRL you could tell the intruder to get off or you could go away and stop the conversation, but it's not possible online - they can keep yelling at you forever and can invite friends, etc.

Maybe muting feels like not enough because if everyone can see how you're not responding (if you muted them) then everyone might think "if he has nothing to say then maybe their BS has merit". If you muted and not responding then for others it feels like you just have nothing to say, and that's not true. Maybe if there was a marker visible like "this person is muted by the person he's replying to so take that into account" it would help everyone understand the situation better and the urge for "blocking" would be lower.

Anyway, it's definitely a mismatch btw what's possible online and offline. You wouldn't let some idiot follow you in all public spaces IRL and yell at you, you'd punch them or call police. Or you would at least try to let everyone around know that you're actively ignoring the idiot. But what can you do online?

Block may mean many things.

If block is "blocked people can't see your content" then sure it's just not possible on a public internet.

If block is "blocked people can't comment on your content" (which was mentioned in your quote) then it's not that simple. Website do have various forms of blocking (for comments, posting etc). Of course that doesn't "block" someone from commenting elsewhere and linking to your post, but that's a different thing.

It's almost like people feel "ownership" of their posts, and when someone replies, they almost feel like people have posted "on their space". So even muting doesn't feel like enough, they want no one to see bad stuff "on their space" (in replies). They feel as if they were talking in a some cosy space and then someone intruded with their bad stuff. You'd be upset IRL if someone interrupted your conversation with some BS, even if your conversation was happening "on a town square". IRL you could tell the intruder to get off or you could go away and stop the conversation, but it's not possible online - they can keep yelling at you forever and can invite friends, etc.

Maybe muting feels like not enough because if everyone can see how you're not responding (if you muted them) then everyone might think "if he has nothing to say then maybe their BS has merit". If you muted and not responding then for others it feels like you just have nothing to say, and that's not true. Maybe if there was a marker visible like "this person is muted by the person he's replying to so take that into account" it would help everyone understand the situation better and the urge for "blocking" would be lower.

Anyway, it's definitely a mismatch btw what's possible online and offline. You wouldn't let some idiot follow you in all public spaces IRL and yell at you, you'd punch them or call police. Or you would at least try to let everyone around know that you're actively ignoring the idiot. But what can you do online?

Still Inscription, Ordinals and Runes, all these shit has zero value

how do we create a nostrfied version of this

show me feasibly

pragmatically

sensibly

reasonably

on a timeline

how bitcoin saves more kids globally than the state

just lost all my follows 😟

Whats the point of running a persona relay if it doesnt help?

You’re all going to be using BBSs and IRC soon anyway

So… Is there anyone around this space who’s NOT a Bitcoin Maxi?

They're around. I don't really post about Bitcoin much, but I do post a lot about technology and anarcho-capitalism :/

Discoveryability is tough on Nostr. If you see someone writing about non-bitcoin stuff, check their feed, see who they've reposted, follow them all; rinse and repeat. Eventually you'll get a more heterogeneous collection

So… Is there anyone around this space who’s NOT a Bitcoin Maxi?

I've stopped reading Zerohedge.

Literally can't find an article worth reading. 🤷‍♀️