I also think your concerns and your perspective are fair and are in some points compatible with mine. Time will bring the light that will permit us to see things more clearly in future, and I'm ready to change perspective :)

if really there are no ways to be sure that under zk are not happening arbitrary not-determided things then it doesnt solve any problem.

Under zk it is possible to verify the correctness of the computations.

You still cant "manually verify" the crypto that bitcoin uses unless you have very big hands, you need other layers of functions and appllied math.

In some cases we have advantages with bitcoin; it is simpler "counting all the utxo and verify that all the bitcoin that exists are the number we expect" than "run complicated algorithms that do stuff with proofs and crypto materials and expect some output to determine if all is run ok".

But for the most part, the crypto bitcoin core uses today is verified by "run complicated algorithms that do stuff with proofs and crypto materials and expect some output to determine if all is run ok".

The difference is that bitcoin crypto is battle tested, zk implementations are not.

But zk doesnt change nothing substantial, it is just another way to apply complicated math to do stuff and have deterministic ways to verify the correctness of calculations.

this argument is total bullshit, there are people who understand math and code implementation and can understand and review cryptography (few people), and other that simply not but somethimes larp as they can.

Zk on bitcoin core cant happens because it is a shitcoin, not because counting would become to difficult.

vabbè si sono viste due squadre di categorie totalmente differenti, gli spagnoli sono molto forti, gli italiani appena decenti

see how cock.li impemented proof of work for anti-spam on mail registrations, it is amazing

exactly the pattern I followed

stop shitcoining nvk

#chatcontrol ehy guys, good news! 😊

https://stackdiary.com/eu-council-has-withdrawn-the-vote-on-chat-control/

#asknostr with attempts like eu #chatcontrol what are the best way to do DMs with friends and family? What do you use?

GM

"40 bitcoin ecash, hackers" would have been really impressive

I dont know, socialism worked somewhat with free software because software and digital things in general are not scarce resources (if is not bitcoin). See GNU guys exit from their territory is so embarassing.

whether you like or not I like sentences starting with "whether you like it or not"

bellissima, a real Neapolitan pizza😍

Not so fast, my gender is literally "THE cutest girl on the Nostr dev list." so please respect me

wait, it was a bait... well, with me worked well😁😂

life is the same as before? people can now fuck you all central-planners and dont pay taxes like they have nothing and de facto they have nothing after the boat accident, but without bitcoin one need to choose: have nothing and be free or keep their fiat paper money safe and be a good citizen. For example dont use chat apps that dont comply with EU chatcontrol or we freeze your asset. Life after bitcoin is not the same, for noone, even the nocoiners. Obviously, people that was poor before, if they dont manage to provide value to someone and work for money they will not stack sats, so life will be pretty the same... but not exactly the same.

Thanks! Sorry, another question: is open a STR channel with segwit utxos and, after some time, close it a good way to decorrelate input from output and obtain a coinjoin-like privacy? Am I missing something?

trust require skin in the game, is a behaviour that works in little groups of humans interacting. On internet it will be always weak because the only thing you can loose is some sort of abstract reputation, something that can be re-bootstrapped with another nym with a not-so-big-amount of resources. So nostr WOT have sense and can work well (infinitely better than what we have in centralized platforms) but nothing I'm so bullish on to revolutionize lives.

agree, but still signal is a platform based in US and with ~10s million $ yearly costs, they already makes some dangerous choiches like launching a shitcoin. It could be compromised and we would remain without decent alternatives (fallback on mail+gpg?).

We need nostr based pravate dm to happen.