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You can lead a horse to water, can't make it drink. Show a person some bitcoin can't make them think. Bitcoin devotee, not just on Sundays!

It's a good question. I think money has to be based on truths. No manipulation/unfair advantage/sleight of hand.

As soon as there is manipulation in money things downstream end up distorted.

Truth is best for civilisation I believe. We are not taught to find truth. We are taught to seek approval. School does this best!!

Let's run the bitcoin experiment I say.

Seems to make sense. Wondering if btc heading down the same path with ETF. I'm a noob and don't know much about it I'll admit.

Yes I am aware of the move by BRICS but its just amazing that there has only been such a small price increase. sorry didn't really write that point clearly.

Not hating on gold BUT. Gold demand highest on record for 2023 yet price has moved from ~$1900 to ~$1945 this year. Yes there was a spike to $2050 or so but didn't hold. What am I missing?

https://schiffgold.com/key-gold-news/central-bank-gold-demand-in-first-half-of-2023-was-the-highest-on-record/

I agree. And on that basis it will mean convincing others to help fund something you believe is important.

I think about all the tech we have in our lives that comes from space. I wonder whether space explorations would have been funded if left to citizens interest.

100%. Each has their advantages and disadvantages. Noise cancelling headphones are a must in busy asian cities!!!

Curiously hong Kong is very regulated but service is amazing there (at least last time I went pre covid). Its possibly the exception tho. Don't know.

I think having hunger and poor living conditions in recent memory probably is a huge factor in whether a population wants to serve.

Yeah definitely.

Competition definitely helps and Asia has no shortage of that. But even in a place like sth Korea you see services taking longer than other places in Asia. Its almost like as a country develops the people no longer want to serve!

One thing that's true is that most shops in developed countries spend a lot of time on 'window dressing' to make the shop look nice and the other parts of running a business (inventory management, advertising, paying staff retirement plans, dealing with banks, staff training etc...).

So in the phone shop example I actually usually go to the mobile phone/electronic centres where there are like 50 repair shops all in the one place. I pick the one that has the most parts lying around and a guy squirreled away in the back working under a magnifying light. Many of the others are just fronts that take a commission to carry your phone the 20 steps further to the guy squirreled away.

These places don't have to worry about inventory management as the part suppliers are just 10m away.

They don't advertise cos all the providers are in one place and that's the advertising (think of the shoe street or crockery street concept in Vietnam/China).

They are incentivised not to have a perfectly neat and tidy shop (people will conclude they are not busy and have time to organise and clean, hence if they are not busy they are not good at their job).

They deal in cash so banking is a small part of their business.

I think staying hungry is a big part of it all. And not being afraid to be seen as hungry by others.

Replying to Avatar Lyn Alden

I had three pairs of glasses. One of them broke, and one of them I left at a restaurant during a bitcoin-related business/academic meeting. The last one is half-broke, like it works decently enough but the left hinge is busted and opens too wide, and so it doesn't stay on my head as well as it should.

I usually prioritize my glasses poorly because I only wear them when driving or when I need to read things at a distance (e.g. walking around an airport or other unfamiliar environment). I purposely only wear them when I have to, and do my best to do eye exercises and such in other times, to avoid getting too dependent on them. As a result I tend not to take very good care of them.

I have a pair of prescription sunglasses too, so I've been wearing them, including in some contexts where it's not quite normal (e.g. inside). It ends up feeling like an awkward version of The Matrix.

Before I go to Egypt for the late summer, I scheduled an appointment for an eye exam and a new multi-set of glasses. Most places around me were booked for a full month (labor shortage). With one place that was open, I scheduled weeks in advance but then one eye doctor got into an accident and and their whole schedule changed. So there were *no* eyeglass places within a reasonable distance of me that could do an eye exam, prescribe and manufacture new glasses before I go to Egypt.

So I'm just kind of going there with a busted normal pair of glasses and then my sunglasses, which I'm increasingly getting used to using in abnormal places. I'll probably be walking around the airport in sunglasses. Maybe when I'm there I can get new ones, or just wait until I get back.

Back during COVID, when we all needed tests before travel, I always found it easier to get tests in Cairo than in New Jersey. The US tests were like, "okay we can get them to you in 48-72 hours" which was awkward because the government+airline was like, "we need tests within the past 72 hours". So there was this weird window where they get it to you just in time... or they don't. I had to get a second emergency test for like 10x the cost once, with high stress and extra activity right before the flight, because the first test was too slow and missed their 72-hour timeframe. But in Cairo I could always get one within 24-36 hours without issue.

Anyway, that's my current version of first world problems. Heading to Egypt with broken glasses, and the Egyptian system might ironically fix this faster than I can here in New Jersey. Everything feels weird due to labor shortages.

I love how long things take in 'developed' countries like phone repairs. 'Drop your phone and come back next week'.

Vs a little hole in the wall stall in Asia. We will basically rebuild your entire phone and give you a free screen protector while you wait.

I often wonder if its to make the service seem more valuable than it is (kinda justifying the higher prices).

You may find a Cairo based optometrist that will sort it in no time!! Good luck

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I spoke at a big bitcoin-adjacent company this week and one of the best questions was from someone who asked what the downsides of bitcoin adoption might be.

I always do appreciate these steelman questions, the skeptical questions, the ones where we challenge ourselves. Only when we can answer those types of questions do we understand the concept that we are promoting.

So the classic example is that in modern economic literature, "deflation is bad". This, however, is only the case in a highly indebted system. Normally, deflation is good. Money appreciates, technology improves, and goods and services get cheaper over time as they should. Price of Tomorrow covers this well. My book touches on this too, etc. The "deflation is bad" meme is still alive in modern economic discourse and thus is worth countering, but I think in the bitcoin spectrum of communities, people get that deflation is fine and good.

My answer to the question was in two parts.

The first part was technological determinism. In other words, if we were to re-run humanity multiple times, there are certain rare accidents that might not replicate, and other commonalities that probably would. Much like steam engines, internal combustion engines, electricity, and nuclear power, I think a decentralized network of money is something we would eventually come across. In our case, Bitcoin came into existence as soon as the bandwidth and encryption tech allowed it to. In other universes or simulations it might look a bit different (e.g. might not be 21 million or ten minute block times exactly), but I think decentralized real-time settlement would become apparent as readily as electricity does, for any civilization that reaches this point. So ethics aside, it just is what it is. It exists, and thus we must deal with it.

The second part was that in my view, transparency and individual empowerment is rarely a bad thing. Half of the world is autocratic. And half of the world (not quite the same half) deals with massive structural inflation. A decentralized spreadsheet that allows individuals to store and send value can't possibly be a bad thing, unless humanity itself is totally corrupted. I then went into more detail with examples about historical war financing, and all sorts of tangible stuff. In other words, a whole chapter full of stuff. I've addressed this in some articles to.

In your view, if you had to steelman the argument as best as you could, what are the scenarios where bitcoin is *BAD* for humanity rather than good for it, on net?

Im a hard money proponent. But I often think of the advances humans have made due to money printing. Some advancements don't have an economical aspect to it and only governments will fund. Blue sky medical, space research, building large hadron colliders etc.

What will advancement look like on bitcoin is not clear to me but I don't think saving is necessarily good for advancing technologically.

I agree with your point on bitcoins time. We have already run the money printing experiemnent many times. Bitcoin is a well worth experiment to run.

If the only outcome of a bitcojn standard was that wars couldn't happen (ie printing = funding wars) I'd say that was a worthwhile outcome.