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There is no consensus mechanism in my proposed lists. They would be private to the user. The goal is to separate friends into unique feeds via NIP-51 kind 30000. This can already be done and is integrated. You can separate people into a list and generate a feed with only their posts. I believe this should be native to the workflow of all Nostr applications, though, making NIP-02 (follow list) a "kind" of list within NIP-51. Then replacing NIP-02 with NIP-51.

The idea here is to create unique groups of friends from the beginning. They are not meant to be shared, only maintained and appreciated by the individual user.

Web of Trust, however, does aim to curate lists in a decentralized method of emergence, which mirrors Bitcoin. It is the 'other path' of managing groups of users, which would entail deciding "who belongs where" as well.

Both paths require a manual creation of friend groups/lists. Web of Trust offers an automated path in the future.

Sorry, I meant to clarify on my point when I said "everyone isn't equal."

This is in regards to how we create lists. We are going to have a bias which applies to each person and there will be overlap. That is the point. In terms of categorizing each other into unique lists, we aren't "equal," we are managed.

That's a good question! I don't have an answer exactly, because I've only recently followed you. However, I could imagine "insightful, creative, anonymous, stranger" as a few potential associated feelings.

Personally, I would lean toward a "nostrich natives" list, that eventually gets broken down into more unique lists. This would be my "preferred feed," I think. But that would probably change over time. I would already have multiple lists and feeds as a result.

However, for people I am closer to, or more familiar with, I could probably assign them more specific roles. For instance, if you develop an application for Nostr, I could upgrade you to my "Nostr Devs" list, which would surely exist!

If I could tell your application wasn't, say, "top notch," but rather amateurish, I would probably have at least 2 lists of Nostr devs.

"Official Nostr devs" and "Unofficial Nostr devs".

This goes against the narrative that everyone is equal on Nostr, but, in my head, everyone isn't equal. It's a personal perspective and everyone would have different feelings toward it.

That is why it is important for us to have fluidity in regards to follow lists. So we can "upgrade, downgrade, remove, add, sort, filter, share" the people in them.

It's also important that a person can be within multiple lists, of course. I'm not sure why I feel the need to specify that, but in case it isn't clear, there can be overlap.

Markets can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent.

Being vegan does not mean eating perfect, or never consuming an animal product for the rest of your life.

In today's context, veganism is socio-economic anarchism in defense of animal and human lives. Even insect lives.

But it's just a consumer choice. It's expression. It's freedom.

It's saying "I will try to do better, despite the circumstances."

Every. Single. Day.

Every meal. Every purchase.

Every transaction, on or off the blockchain.

It's admitting that it will be difficult.

It's admitting imperfection from the start.

It's swearing off beliefs that humans have held for a very long time.

It's like adopting Bitcoin.

It means standing up to others.

It means making yourself vulnerable.

It means accepting your flaws aren't limited to your diet, but also expand to your awareness.

It also means it's not for everyone.

I choose to be vegan.

However, I make some exceptions. I cannot shop at a vegan grocery store, and I don't shop at local farmer's markets. I choose the local grocer chain over the national one. That's my most practical vegan choice. When I'm there I buy as many ethical options as possible to increase the demand for them. Sometimes I buy extra if it's a product I truly love. In response they continue to expand their options.

That grocer has a sushi vendor. There is nothing vegan about sushi, except the primary ingredient: rice. So I frequently request a vegan roll, which is labelled and sold as "imitation krab roll." at the full cost of a meat-based product.

I could pay for rice and nori sheets and fill it with vegetables. Sometimes I do. There's nothing ethical about the plastic waste derived from purchasing ready-to-eat sushi, or disposable bamboo chopsticks. Those things don't help the environment but I use them anyways, because it's convenient.

I recognize that I am putting convenience before nature.

I also recognize that I am supporting a vendor who brings a cultural benefit to the area. So even when there is no one present, I try to swing by and buy discounted rolls on Wednesdays, even if they include a type of fish. I remove the imitation crab meat out of my California rolls and I eat the strange shrimp mixture sometimes. That's all I can stomach.

I try to limit my consumption of store-bought sushi. Other than sushi, I do not consume meat or animal products, except when offered them for free. And that is becoming more rare the more I am honest with myself and others. However I do not like to waste food, even if it is not a vegan option.

I try to avoid supporting any industry or business that supports the killing or injuring of animals. Down to individuals that I share my time and Bitcoin and money and meals with. I encourage everyone to do better.

That is veganism. Do your best.

That is what anyone can encourage anyone else to do.

What happens when we put animals first? Every form of life is an innocent victim in the wake of mankind. Nature is harmonious, even inclusive of our savageness. We must learn to realize how destructive we are if we are to find peace.

To add to my previous comment, it would become a responsibility of client applications to "handle lists better." Nostr needs to lay the foundation so clients can offer proper tools for managing these lists.

Imagine filtering by "people you haven't categorized yet." You could automatically see who you haven't sorted. You could quickly change the label of a group or split people into new groups.

If you were using Nostr in a CLI, it's probably not very efficient. But that is a minority of people. The majority of us are using web clients. CLI tools could certainly be developed to handle lists better as well, if desired.

Twitter lists only list people using Twitter. Nostr lists are globally decentralized, unlike Twitter. I have a Twitter account and have never touched lists. I wouldn't even know they exist because I don't have a reason to use Twitter. I am sure I'm not alone.

The point is that Twitter lists can only scale to the size of Twitter. On a decentralized protocol they have more room, and reason, to scale.

Oppression says silence. It says do not share. It says do not pass go and do not collect $200.

Decentralization says speak. Speak loudly and mean every word. Do not doubt yourself. Do not feel ashamed to be who you are.

There is nothing more to life than lessons. Trials and tribulations.

Enjoy it while it lasts.

Those who do buy Bitcoin set an example for those who do not. It is not merely a financial position. It's also a philosophical position, and a political position, and a technical position.

Those who hold Bitcoin should not be concerned with what others do with their money. Their own actions should speak loud and their rewards will always speak louder.

What no-coiners are seeing is fanaticism and fear. No matter how stable the underlying technology, markets are driven by sentiment.

This is not a fault of Bitcoin, it is a fault of people, or of investors. It's a fault of governments and education. It's a fault caused by greed of the past. It can be corrected.

People didn't want Bitcoin at $.01

They didn't want it at $.10, $1, $10, $100, $1000, $10000, and plenty of people still don't want it at $70000.

Ethereum is only $4000. People don't want it even more.

Because they don't understand any of it. That's natural. You cannot blame people for not understanding emergent technologies. You can't expect to "convert" people into "believers". That is called a cult. Nobody wants a "cult of Bitcoiners" any more than they want a "cult of personality" or a religious cult.

People want to understand where Bitcoin fits into their lives. If you are not willing to approach people in an optimistic and curious manner, then you are not spreading the joy of Bitcoin. You are harassing people.

If you are not willing to accept that Bitcoin is not for everyone, then you are harassing people. Wanting 8 billion Bitcoiners is too many. Not everyone uses cash. The number of people living "totally off-the-grid" may be small, but they exist. Don't disrespect them by assuming they want to partake in your orange-pill internet funny money.

You have to be willing to be selfless. You have to have humility. You have to admit when you don't understand, or when you are wrong.

The underlying technology of YOU, as an INVESTOR, is PRIVATE OWNERSHIP. That is where your semblance with Bitcoin exists.

Therefore it is not the Bitcoin you hold today that matters. It is the Bitcoin you accumulate over the long term. It is the Bitcoin you are able to pass on to others. It is the PEOPLE you pass that Bitcoin to. If you are not investing with a strategy, then you are lost. Keep searching.

The questions you should be asking are:

"What percentage of my portfolio is comprised of Bitcoin, and why?"

"Is that percentage of my portfolio growing or shrinking in value?"

"What is my risk tolerance and exposure?"

"What would happen to my portfolio if everyone jumped ship tomorrow?"

and my favorite,

"What would the world look like if it did not depend on money?"

Bitcoin HODL'ers must feel unstoppable now.

Imagine having truly nothing to lose. That's unstoppable.

"The next Satoshi" is an interesting narrative. 😉

If I scribble a flower in the sand without signing my work, or if I sign it anonymously, that is my choice as an artist, and it commands respect simply through action alone. People will always be curious. Perhaps someone snapped a photo while I was drawing it. Maybe they will link that photo to me in a digital space some day, even after I have passed.

At the end of the day, even an identity is but a grain of sand.

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Yes, maintaining lists manually is time-consuming. That is why it must become native to the workflow of Nostr. When I click "follow user" I have abandoned maintenance of my "followed users" by design. Saying everyone exclusively belongs to a single list is a hindrance from the start. But it isn't useless. It's just difficult to manage. That is why I propose both actions. I should be determining which list a user belongs in, and that action should also include them in a global follow list.

This way we don't lose current functionality but we also gain a layer of user authority.