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A reminder to the builders, nostr:npub13ljnkd633c7maxatymv3y2fqq8vt3qk7j3tt0vytv90eztwgha9qmfcfhw has an API here:

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While I don’t mind paying for a service, I made a full tutorial

for noobs on Phoenix right before the update rolled out and then updated it (the next day lol) and noticed the new fees.

Old fees: 0.05-.5%

1st Channel Open: 10,000 sats

Subsequent Channel Opens: 3000 sats

New fees: .4% plus 4 sats

One Time Channel Open: 1000 sats

- I have since done the math, and if it is correct, (pls can someone check!) the first 2.5 million sats one sends incurs 10,000 sats in fees at .4%, so one *could* say that is in place of the original 10k sats channel open fee.

Two points here:

- It is impossible however to know how many +4 sats are embedded there as it would depend entirely on how many transactions were sent.

For argument, let’s say it was x1000 2,500sat payments, then that would be an extra 4000 sats of fees on top of the first 2.5mil sent.

If it was x10,000 250 sat pmts, then it would be an extra 40,000 sats of fees on top of the first 2.5mil sent.

And if it was x100,000 25sat zaps for eg, it would be an extra 400,000 sats of fees on top of the first 2.5mil sent!!

Ofc there are many variables here, since the old fee structure included 3000 sats for each new channel open (after the initial 10k for the first channel). This could be lessened or avoided though by opening a larger first channel.

- Second point: After the first 10k sats are accounted for, one continues to pay 4 sats (sometimes 5, see pics) per transaction forever.

In the end, if I am thinking about it correctly, I think the main issue is the ā€˜plus 4 sats’ on *every* transaction.

This makes it especially unusable for zapping or for micropayments of any kind.

Note: I haven’t mentioned miner fees as those are obviously added when funds are spliced in.

Would appreciate hearing thoughts. While I love the new splicing, it appears to come at quite a cost if I am doing the math correctly.

Final note: I am aware there are obviously many variables as to how Lightning is used, which would also change all the numbers a lot

Whoa I did not know about that 4 sat minimum. That totally changes the math if you're doing micropayments only šŸ’€

Awesome! Hey I recognize that username, did I randomly send you sats from my 'arvincodes@blink.sv' account?

Hm odd. Are you getting an error? Or are you getting past the puzzle slider?

I wonder if we can start a new chain #circleschain šŸ‘€

I'll zap 2,100 sats to anyone who responds with their #blinkcircles share image here

šŸ‘‰šŸ½ how, simply click "Share your circles" on the Circles page in your nostr:npub13ljnkd633c7maxatymv3y2fqq8vt3qk7j3tt0vytv90eztwgha9qmfcfhw app to grab the inside, and then post it here

Replying to Avatar Guy Swann

It might not be so simple as ā€œbecause people can still be violent, Bitcoin doesn’t fix state theft of income and wealth.ā€

It’s important to remember that the govt racket doesn’t work because they go one-by-one and steal from everyone. That’s economically impossible. It works because of the economics of violence at scale. All they need is to sell a half decent story and violently attack just a piece of a percent of those who openly defy them, and everyone else ā€œvoluntarilyā€ accepts it because they feel it’s impossible not to.

If the problem was merely the cost of one-on-one violence multiplied by millions of people, then the state would never be functional as a system. It would cost more in lives and enforcement than they would get in ā€œprofitā€ from the plundering.

But it isn’t. Instead, there is a negative feedback loop on the scaling of violence, because our wealth is physically trapped (our home, our community, our businesses, our belongings, etc). And then so much more of our wealth and income comes from other large, trapped institutions and systems that are centralized and even *easier* to control.

In other words, the bigger they are, the less violence they *actually* have to commit in order to obtain the proceeds of what would otherwise be an enormous amount of individual violence.

The two biggest ways to undermine this economic reality is to dematerialize wealth, and hyper individualize ownership.

Remove the ability to cheat the money, Turn the negative feedback loop into a positive one, and literally everything we think about how society is structured will have to change on a long enough time scale. Wand you’ve taken the single most potent means of wealth confiscation.

Remove the limitation of a vast portion of our wealth to be geographically trapped, locked into a particular set of map lines, and you’ve taken a most important element for trapping wealth inside their system.

Remove the large, centralized, public, and geographically trapped custodians and institutions for service provision/income/trade/etc, and you’ve cut the strings they hold over the individual’s livelihoods and savings.

And the cumulative outcome doesn’t need to be that violence is non eixtstent, which is obviously absurd. But merely that the cost of violence *increases* - even if only by a fraction of a percent - as the state gets larger and more distant from the citizen.

All we have to do is break the negative feedback loop of returns to violence at scale, and it will force everything we think of as ā€œgovernmentā€ across the world to change irreversibly. It won’t be a choice, it’ll be an economic certainty.

Have y'all posted a pic of your circles as yet via the share button at the bottom of that app page?

I bet y'all already have some pretty healthy circles šŸ‘€šŸ˜