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"If one is sophisticated enough to call the top vs the bottom of course"

I'm certainly not sophisticated enough, I go with the value of the bitcoin at the time of four year drawdown of expenses.

My strategy is based on an assumption bitcoin will produce an AAR/CAGR of a minimum 20% for the foreseeable future. (if it can't do that, maybe it's not what we think it is) time will tell, but we have to back our own judgement.

Another assumption I hold is bitcoin may dip 80%, (it might, who knows)

Say my annual expenses are $50k yr, so over 4 years $200k which I need to draw down in advance.

I'll be conservative with a 10% buffer on the 80%, so my stack needs to reach a value of $2M

So my strategy is not about tops or bottoms, but the value in fiat of the stack.

If I draw down 10% and my balance CONTINUES to gain 20% AAR/CAGR I could live forever and never run out of money.

There are tweaks for assumed inflation going forward and emergency drawdowns that I have in my model.

I'd be happy to take this chance.

I just don't understand how a strategy based on tops and bottoms can be operated with confidence with such a volatile asset. But I'm willing to listen to any explanation of a logical strategy based on price.

Replying to Avatar Jake Woodhouse

Great questions. Of course it's a horses for courses scenario, and very much depends on each persons situation.

Love this kind of discussion.

In 2022 I was at the crunch end of a re-allocation process, selling other assets, in order to accumulate more Bitcoin. Huge decisions. Huge conviction required.

At that time I set a price target of 150k aud (it was trading spot at 30k aud) and a timeline of August 2025. I was thinking to trim the position by 10% on reaching either of the 2.

If possible, I like to stick to strategies, rather than alter en route. Now that we're pretty much at 150k, and a need has come up, I will take some Bitcoin and gift to someone. This is akin to taking profits at the pre-aimed for price.

Otherwise, there are only 2 things I really want 1) a family home and 2) a healthy living expense runway. The question then becomes, as you so rightly point out: 1) take profits and pay tax? or 2) take debt (not sure how) and leverage.

I am not happy with any of the debt products I've seen so far. Either counter-party risk is too high, debt term too short, debt amount too low. So I think I am leaning towards the take profits, pay tax, and although more expensive, less risk, and easier for peace-of-mind

Great problems to have!

Ps - I also like the idea of simply DCA out of Bitcoin as and when you need for expenses. I'd much prefer to be long Bitcoin, rather than be sitting on too much cash

Pps - this is a "hybrid trading strategy" in my mind, in that I am working on a multi-year time horizon, with the intention of re-allocating as the purchasing power alters

"I also like the idea of simply DCA out of Bitcoin"

I've done a lot of back testing on this and my tests indicate dca'ng out expenses over 4 years would leave me with considerably less bitcoin than assessing 4 years expenses and drawing down the whole 4 year year expenses.

I don't set price targets, I plan on dates, I've done back testing on the difference and it's difficult to plan on prices when drawing down expenses. Prices have a habit of destroying strategies. IMHO

Do you actually take profits, as in trading, or do you Β draw down living expenses following a strategic financial strategy?

For example, my plan is

1. In October 2024 I will calculate and drawdown 4 years of living expenses and pay appropriate taxes.

2. If any of the big four banks offer collateralised lending I will borrow 4 years expenses.

3. If a private lender wishes to lend on terms I'm happy with, I'll borrow 4 years expenses.

Number 3 is my preferred option.

From your post it sounds like your plan is to take profits at a time you judge to be opportune. Would you care to divulge what your plan is for those profits, if they are not for living expenses, do you plan holding them in cash or use some other asset.?

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Today's date: 23-12-2023

Date 5 years ago: 23-12-2018

Today's bitcoin price: $43,620

Five years ago bitcoin price: $4,008

Total gain: $39,613

CAGR: 61.2%

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